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Build a Balanced AMD-Based Gaming system for less than $500

Postby mhudon » Fri Jun 06, 2014 11:24 am

Hi guys,

I wanted to share a short but very nice article written by Igor Wallossek on Tom's Hardware website. Here's how it starts:

"We’re revisiting an age-old question with a modern twist: can you build a balanced gaming PC with a sub-$100 CPU and not be limited by graphics performance? When you pick the right parts, a capable machine is easily within reach for very little money."

If you're interested:

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/build-your-own-budget-amd-pc,3807.html
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Re: Build a Balanced AMD-Based Gaming system for less than $500

Postby Hammer_Time » Fri Jun 06, 2014 10:24 pm

Yes, it is extremely important that one buys a "well balanced" computer!! :scout:

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Seriously that is a fairly decent gaming build for under $500 , notice it lacks any optical drive ( burner ) but one might not need to invest the $20 or so in a burner if installing the OS from a thumb drive or over a network etc ( share the other computer's optical drive with OS disc in it over the lan nw to install ). So one does not necessarily "need" to bother buying an optical drive these days if one will never use it ( download everything etc. ). Just pointing out that the more expensive system that is listed in that article does have a burner in it, but not the budget gaming system under $500 - no big deal, just saying... other than that the ~500 gaming system is pretty decent overall considering the low price... the more expensive system they list is even better for gaming of course if budget allows for it. Still happy with my 7870 card here that I paid $200 Cdn for... :D
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Re: Build a Balanced AMD-Based Gaming system for less than $500

Postby DIREWOLF75 » Sat Jun 07, 2014 7:38 am

Heh, to ME that build is UNbalanced. :D

For a cheapskate gaming rig, i would go with the AMD A10 instead, the integrated gfx is decent enough to play most stuff as long as you don´t require it to run high settings.

And for a balanced system, i´d pick a much better cpu and cut down on the gfx, probably to 250X or 260. Those both have better performance than my current 6770 and it´s enough to play both what i like and the majority of stuff others run as well.

For example, if you´re running a lot of the recent Blizzard games? Then that AMD 750K is going to drag you down, and there´s a lot less settings that affect cpu performance than there are that affects gfx.

Also, upgrading a gfx card is relatively easy, upgrading a cpu nowadays, not so much ( as it usually means you need another motherboard ).


So, it´s a decent lowend rig for hardcore FPS gamers, but as an overall gaming rig i give it a "minimal fail" rating.
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Re: Build a Balanced AMD-Based Gaming system for less than $500

Postby Hammer_Time » Sat Jun 07, 2014 10:15 am

Not true Dire, any Discrete R7 250 card is faster than the gpu in the A10 7850K apu. There are 2 versions of R7 250 cards, one with cheaper DDR 3 memory which basically matches the overall performance of the gpu ( well igp to be precise ) in the 7850K apu, and a faster DDR 5 memory version which is noticeably faster than the performance of the 7850K igp. Proof:

http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/di ... html#sect0

Battlefield 4 is a highly popular multiplayer shooter with rather high system requirements. The A10-7850K’s integrated graphics is quite capable of delivering a playable frame rate at the Full-HD resolution. You can even try to enable medium visual quality settings. The other integrated graphics solutions can’t offer such a high level of performance.

And if the resolution is dropped to 720p, the A10-7850K even allows using high visual quality settings. On the other hand, the A10-7850K is inferior to the discrete Radeon R7 250 cards in this case, irrespective of the type of onboard memory. So the low clock rate also seems to be a problem for the Spectre graphics.


I understand some games are more cpu intensive but overall a discrete R7 250 card paired with any budget cpu is still going to be faster overall than 7850K while costing less too!

The 7850K is a decent budget gaming solution except that it is WAY OVERPRICED!! Proof:

http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.as ... -_-Product

AMD A10-7850K Kaveri 3.7GHz Socket FM2+ 95W Desktop Processor AMD Radeon R7 series AD785KXBJABOX

$188.99


As compared to this:

http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.as ... -_-Product

AMD Athlon X4 750K Trinity 3.4GHz Socket FM2 100W Desktop Processor - Black Edition AD750KWOHJBOX

$78.99


http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.as ... -_-Product

SAPPHIRE 100368L Radeon R7 250 1GB 128-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 3.0 CrossFireX Support Video Card

Radeon R7 250
Core Clock
1000MHz
Boost Clock
1050MHz
Stream Processors
384 Stream Processors


Memory
Effective Memory Clock
4600MHz

Memory Size
1GB
Memory Interface
128-bit
Memory Type
GDDR5

$94.99


So, $79 + $95 = $174 total, that is $15 cheaper than the 7850K cpu and faster overall in gaming too! Not much savings but still, we are talking pinching pennies here for best bang for the buck...

You could even step up the R7 250 card to a 260 card for only $35 more:

http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.as ... -_-Product

MSI R7 260 1GD5 OC 1GB 128-Bit GDDR5 PCI Express 3.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card

$129.99


So $79 + $130 = $209 total, and that would SMOKE the gaming performance of the 7850K while only costing $20 more than that apu... :scout: :D

Of course any future games supporting AMD's Mantle API will run better on any of these lower-end budget cpu's which is what Mantle was designed for in the first place. Cheers!
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Re: Build a Balanced AMD-Based Gaming system for less than $500

Postby Hammer_Time » Sat Jun 07, 2014 10:16 am

clone wrote:
For a cheapskate gaming rig, i would go with the AMD A10 instead, the integrated gfx is decent enough to play most stuff as long as you don´t require it to run high settings.

And for a balanced system, i´d pick a much better cpu and cut down on the gfx, probably to 250X or 260. Those both have better performance than my current 6770 and it´s enough to play both what i like and the majority of stuff others run as well.

For example, if you´re running a lot of the recent Blizzard games? Then that AMD 750K is going to drag you down, and there´s a lot less settings that affect cpu performance than there are that affects gfx.

Also, upgrading a gfx card is relatively easy, upgrading a cpu nowadays, not so much ( as it usually means you need another motherboard ).


So, it´s a decent lowend rig for hardcore FPS gamers, but as an overall gaming rig i give it a "minimal fail" rating.
integrated graphics are still garbage, they'll remind you they are garbage every time you use them ...... sure you can play games with them but they'll always dictate how & what you can play.

2nd part, given the mentioned budget was $500 and the basic system was $415 their is room for a better cpu..... I'm not sure it's needed but bumping the price up $40 on CPU and $30 on mobo would put an FX 6300 in.

3rd I'd dump the 1tb hdd personally and get an SSD in it's place a smaller one using external drives for storage in the Tb's place to be purchased when required.


Yes, that is true... you slipped this post in whilst I was typing up my long-winded response to Dire here! :mrgreen:
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Re: Build a Balanced AMD-Based Gaming system for less than $500

Postby DIREWOLF75 » Sat Jun 07, 2014 5:53 pm

Not true Dire, any Discrete R7 250 card is faster than the gpu in the A10 7850K apu.


And where exactly did i say that it wasn´t?
I didn´t actually say ANYTHING about this or that being faster than something else.

I understand some games are more cpu intensive but overall a discrete R7 250 card paired with any budget cpu is still going to be faster overall than 7850K while costing less too!


While costing LESS? Using quick and dirty price conversions, a decent R7 250 is about $70-100 and the cpu in the example is $80.
Pricetag for an A10, about $120-130. Eh, from where i´m looking, thats about 30% HIGHER total price.
And on a cheap motherboard, it´s not guaranteed that you will get full performance from a discrete gfx card either. So, the integrated becomes a cheap "foolproof" option.

The 7850K is a decent budget gaming solution except that it is WAY OVERPRICED!!


I wasn´t talking about THAT specific cpu obviously, because yes, it IS overpriced. I don´t even have a local price to compare with... Hmm, on prisjakt.nu the price on it is actually just under 1200, in USD, realistically that should work out somewhere between 120 and 160. About 130-140 if i convert roughly the same way i used for other parts above.

So that still gives a ~$30 savings.

The 7700K even at Newegg is much more reasonable at 169.
Still, with lower end gfx, stepping down to the 6xxx series is reasonable, at which point newegg allows you to go down to 138$.

The one i compared with locally here was the A10 6800K. Which is currently the single most sold cpu at the local store.

So $79 + $130 = $209 total, and that would SMOKE the gaming performance of the 7850K while only costing $20 more than that apu...


Not quite that much, but of course it would have better performance, but at that point we are doing one more step of "just a little better, it´s only xxx$ more" and we´re no longer looking at a really lowbudget machine.
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Re: Build a Balanced AMD-Based Gaming system for less than $500

Postby DIREWOLF75 » Sat Jun 07, 2014 6:22 pm

integrated graphics are still garbage, they'll remind you they are garbage every time you use them ......


Not since AMD brought their 3xxx series and later into chipsets and APUs.
They are becoming more and more popular because now they´re good enough for lowend FPS gaming while allowing a budget that lets almost anyone squeeze one in(or squeeze an extra in for spouse or child etc).

For a family it looks to become a norm to have one more or less high performance system, a portable/laptop or two and then 1 or more of these cheap allrounders.

a comparison of a 750k vs a core i5.


Funny thing about that video is he is wearing a shirt with a SC2 marking, and if you test those cpus there, the AMD is horribly shredded and left dead and burning.

Yes i´m exaggerating, but it IS one of the places where an i5 shines brightly above anything from AMD.

3rd I'd dump the 1tb hdd personally and get an SSD in it's place a smaller one using external drives for storage in the Tb's place to be purchased when required.


And if the buyer has 10 modern games, it may already be impossible to install all of them. Seriously, Shogun 2 and SC2 alone for me takes up over 35GB together. Few games uses less than a GB. An SSD just wont give you enough GB on its own to start with.
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Re: Build a Balanced AMD-Based Gaming system for less than $500

Postby DIREWOLF75 » Sun Jun 08, 2014 11:47 am

while AMD may be selling a lot of integrated gfx systems it's because they are cheap


Well of course. Though convenience is also a factor. One less part in the system to be troubled with.

and I'd be surprised if they are seeing much gaming outside of MS chess....


Be surprised then. Those i know run just about any game on them except the very latest highend stuff.

does anyone play 10 games at the same time?

Most people tend to have a lot more games than that INSTALLED yes.

Personally, on a quick count i believe i have something like 600GB of games installed.

Based on what i KNOW my minimalist friend has installed, he should have at least around 150-200GB worth of games. SC2 is the only game he has on his SSD, and he already ran into trouble there, being forced to move some stuff to another drive because the SSD ran out of space and slowed down SC2 and even crashed it.

My local cousin should have at least 250GB of games installed that i know of, he´s not a budget gamer, but he still runs the E8200 system he bought a year or so before i got this system.
Local friend probably has more than 400GB of games on her system(and she IS exactly a budget gamer(mostly FPS games)).


I would VERY much like my next system to have an SSD as the boot drive, but i´m still not quite sure if i can squeeze it into the budget, as i´m fairly intent on going with lots of RAM on it.
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Re: Build a Balanced AMD-Based Gaming system for less than $500

Postby mhudon » Tue Jun 10, 2014 4:44 am

clone wrote:2nd part, given the mentioned budget was $500 and the basic system was $415 their is room for a better cpu..... I'm not sure it's needed but bumping the price up $40 on CPU and $30 on mobo would put an FX 6300 in.

a comparison of a 750k vs a core i5.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qIT9uLDjZcg

3rd I'd dump the 1tb hdd personally and get an SSD in it's place a smaller one using external drives for storage in the Tb's place to be purchased when required.


Totally agree that an FX-6300 is well worth the investment. Both the FX-6300 & 6350 rigs shows solid gaming and video editing performance.

If the main purpose is gaming and gaming only, I would also recommend a small SSD. You can buy Crucial MX100 256gb SSDs for around $110 today and the "no loading" gaming experience easily justifies the cost.
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Postby Sauron_Daz » Tue Jun 10, 2014 10:08 pm

mhudon wrote:
clone wrote: You can buy Crucial MX100 256gb SSDs for around $110 today


Now that is interesting..
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Postby mhudon » Wed Jun 11, 2014 5:38 am

Indeed: http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820148820

I've got a Crucial M500 SSD running in one of the computers at home and it's doing very well.
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Postby Sauron_Daz » Thu Jun 12, 2014 3:07 am

Its € 89,90 here. :cool:
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Re: Build a Balanced AMD-Based Gaming system for less than $500

Postby DIREWOLF75 » Thu Jun 12, 2014 4:28 am

Sauron_Daz wrote:Its € 89,90 here. :cool:


Which is more than $110. :(
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Postby Sauron_Daz » Thu Jun 12, 2014 11:52 pm

At least its not €110 like many components: usually the price is the same but the $ got repaced with a €.
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Re: Build a Balanced AMD-Based Gaming system for less than $500

Postby Hammer_Time » Fri Jun 13, 2014 9:00 pm

Sadly Clone is very right here...
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Postby DIREWOLF75 » Sat Jun 14, 2014 4:48 am

Hammer_Time wrote:Sadly Clone is very right here...


No he isn´t. He´s unable to understand that anyone could think differently than himself. :roll:


Of the 20 I know that game, few bought let alone considered buying the latest AMD, AMD's reputation has been in the toilet since the release of Bulldozer. Those that still use AMD for the most part are sticking with what they have.


Completely irrelevant. These are the people who MIGHT be aware that Intel makes cpu:s and who thinks the case is either the HDD or the cpu.
They ask for a vague "i want something that can do this and that while not costing more than X" at the store and they try to give it to them.

naturally everyone is using add in discrete and only Grandma and Grandpa along with laptop owners are "gaming" on integrated.


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Reality check dude. You´re so far from the truth that you´re getting intergalactic bonus airmiles. Assumptions based on your own opinions are worth nothing.

it's not just that very few care at all about AMD but that fewer still care about integrated which is why AMD


Has zero to do with "caring" about anything.

those ppl that have 10 games on their system aren't playing them.... they may be playing 1, 2 maybe even 3 but actively... naahh and I'd wager no more than 3 would be classified as "I need these on my system at the same time" vs "they are their because I didn't delete them yet."


One more assumption based on your own opinion only.

SOME geeks and hardcore gamers are the ones playing 1 or 2 games intensively for a short while and then MAYBE uninstalling it(or MAYBE getting back to it for fun a few weeks or months later).
NORMAL people tend to switch around more even if they have one specific preferred game.
Normal people do not buy a system to get X fps in a specific game, ever.

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Postby Hammer_Time » Sat Jun 14, 2014 8:45 am

While I applaud AMD's efforts at their latest apu's such as the A10 series, having the most advanced integrated graphics ever, the fact is that they are not strong enough yet to play latest games at high resolutions with "high" quality settings. Sure you can play the game on them using lower resolutions and "low" or "medium" quality settings, but that kind of dampens the overall game experience, at least it does for me and I think I speak for a lot of gamers out there. If you only play casually, and play older game titles or not-that-demanding game titles ( Torchlight as an example here ) then the A10 apu might be the perfect solution for you. I believe that most "gamers" want considerably more performance than what the A10 series currently offers... not saying it is "bad", but considering the price/performance ratio here may I present this:

Consider the new Pentium G3258 Overclock Edition processor, it will overclock to around 4.5 Ghz with air cooling and it only costs $75!!! :

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6819117374

Coming on June 25th, just over a week away now!

Pair that with an $80 AMD R7 250 2 GB video card for $80:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6814202052

So for just $155 you get a faster gaming system than you could get with any A10 apu that costs about the same price, or even $20 less as you mentioned in a previous post... however for a few $$ more than the A10 you get a faster cpu and faster/better video card.

The A10 series needs to get much cheaper before it truly becomes attractive considering price/performance ratio.

Regarding SSD, ideally everyone should have an SSD for OS and apps/games, and a large SATA hdd for data storage. If cost is truly a factor then most people will sacrifice the speed of an SSD for the storage capacity of a large cheap hdd of course. But ideally you want both for a responsive system if budget allows for this. I see both sides of the argument here, Clone prefers the SSD for speed, and Dire prefers the cheaper much larger hdd for storage capacity... there is no "one size fits all" solution here, depends on the user's budget and needs and preferences here... so arguing about what is "best" when it comes to storage solution is kinda pointless since every person has different needs it seems, and so much depends on how large their budget is, and how they use their computer to find the best storage solution. Just my 2 cents on the topic...
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Postby DIREWOLF75 » Sat Jun 14, 2014 1:26 pm

While I applaud AMD's efforts at their latest apu's such as the A10 series, having the most advanced integrated graphics ever, the fact is that they are not strong enough yet to play latest games at high resolutions with "high" quality settings.


Obviously. You need a $200 gfx card minimum to run most highend games at high/high.
Even midrange gfx FPS style games needs something like that tpo run h/h.

And the people obsessed with that are hardcore gamers and those willing to pay the price just because they can.
That is not the majority of people.

Sure you can play the game on them using lower resolutions and "low" or "medium" quality settings, but that kind of dampens the overall game experience, at least it does for me and I think I speak for a lot of gamers out there.


Yes, you speak for a lot of GAMERS. That was my point. Gamers is a small minority of the total, and even out of those playing computer games regularly, dedicated gamers is a relatively small minority.

Personally, i mostly run at low res/low settings because i refuse to accept gfx lag, i could run with higher settings in many games ever since i got the 6770, but generally do not, because the performance hit isn´t worth it.
I´m not a "graphicophile", i play games for the sake of the GAME, not to watch eyecandy.

If you only play casually, and play older game titles or not-that-demanding game titles ( Torchlight as an example here ) then the A10 apu might be the perfect solution for you.


Which is exactly why it´s selling well, because THAT is the level of performance a lot of people consider "good enough", especially if it´s for a "cheap" 2nd or even 3rd system.

I believe that most "gamers" want considerably more performance than what the A10 series currently offers...


So what else is new? But "gamers" make up maybe 1/10th of the population, and maybe 1/4th of those that play games regularly.

Consider the new Pentium G3258 Overclock Edition processor, it will overclock to around 4.5 Ghz with air cooling and it only costs $75!!!


You´re seriously suggesting people who couldn´t point out the cpu even if you told them it´s the thing under the fan, are supposed to OVERCLOCK?
Insane much lately?

And dualcore? That´s one of the reasons i´m starting to look for a replacement system this year, even at 3.6Ghz, dual core is starting to be noticeably sluggish. Both in games and outside.

Regarding SSD, ideally everyone should have an SSD for OS and apps/games, and a large SATA hdd for data storage.


Oh yes. Ideally. Never said anything else myself either.
That recently released Crucial Mx series is about the closest to affordable i´ve seen so far, and even with that, we´re looking at trading 1-2TB for 256GB. At least 256GB might actually be enough for a system.
But it´s still a high pricetag compared to how much storage is commonly used nowadays.

Compare with my friend, who in the last 3 years have purchased a total of something like 12TB worth of external HDDs. Me, i´m running with 4TB in 3 HDDs. Could really use another 2TB drive but i´m trying to save up for a complete system instead.

there is no "one size fits all" solution here, depends on the user's budget and needs and preferences here... so arguing about what is "best" when it comes to storage solution is kinda pointless since every person has different needs it seems, and so much depends on how large their budget is, and how they use their computer to find the best storage solution. Just my 2 cents on the topic...


Exactly what i´ve been saying all along. If you have the cash, get a SSD and a HDD, if not and you dont use much drivespace, go with SSD, otherwise there are pretty decent HDDs available as well.
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Re: Build a Balanced AMD-Based Gaming system for less than $500

Postby Hammer_Time » Sun Jun 15, 2014 1:06 am

clone wrote:you can get a 128gb SSD for $75 today, perfect for the buyer who doesn't know, and for the ones who do....... "That's why God invented 1tb external hard drives that sell for under $70"


:D True!! My friend just bought a WD External 2 TB USB 3.0 hdd recently and it is awesome!! Files transfer so fast it is as if the hdd were internal, not external! He paid about $120 Cdn for it and just loves it! If speed is not so important than yes, you can get a cheap USB 2.0 1 TB external hdd for around $70 these days which is awesome actually! 8)
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CyberPower Inc., a manufacturer of custom gaming machines, notebook systems, and high performance workstations, has teamed with leading online retail partner Newegg to offer the Everyman Quad Core (EQ100) - an AMD Sempron 3850 Kabini powered desktop system that makes quad core computing practical for everyday use. The CYBERPOWERPC EQ100 arrives just in time for Father's Day and will be available June 13-15 fully-loaded at $299.99 at http://www.newegg.com.

Pre-built with AMD's Sempron 3850 Kabini APU, the Everyman Quad Core delivers quad-core performance to consumers with two SATA 6 Gbps ports, two USB 3.0 ports, four USB 2.0 ports, a PCIe x16 2.0 slot for graphic card upgrades, and a pair of video outputs (HDMI, and VGA). The AMD system-in-a-socket platform provides up to 3x more computing performance than its competitors.


"CYBERPOWERPC shares our vision for affordable quad core computing and is among the first US system builders to pioneer using the AM1 platform, together with Newegg. These systems include the right set of features you need for day-to-day computing and has effectively launched Everyman Quad Core revolution," said Roy Taylor, VP Global Channel Sales at AMD.

The base $299.99 CYBERPOWERPC EQ100 includes:

CPU - AMD Sempron 3850 1.3 GHz Quad-core Processor
Memory - 4 GB (1x4 GB) DDR3 1600 MHz
Hard Drive - 500 GB SATA III 7200 RPM
Optical Drive 1 - 24x DVD±R/±RW DUAL LAYER DRIVE
Graphics - AMD Radeon HD 8280 Onboard
Audio - Integrated 7.1 Channel Audio
Ethernet - 10/100/1000 Mbps
Power Supply - 500 W
Keyboard - USB Gaming Keyboard
Mouse - USB Gaming Mouse
Operating System - Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit
Special Features - Azza EOS-206S Gaming Case
Motherboard - Built in AMD Sempron & Athlon-Series Socket AM1
1x PCI-E x16 (Gen 2)
2x PCI-E x1 (available)
2x DIMM Slots (DDR3 1333/1600), 32 GB max
3x 3.5mm audio ports
Input/Output - 4x USB 2.0 (2 rear), 2x USB 3.0 (2 rear), 2x PS/2, Front Headphone/Microphone ports, RJ45, VGA, HDMI
Warranty - 1 Year Limited Warranty and Lifetime Toll-free Technical Support Services


The CYBERPOWERPC EQ100 is pre-built but can be easily customized with a number of performance hardware and component upgrades such as gaming graphics cards, solid state drives and storage hard drives, performance memory, peripherals and business software to enhance your productivity.


Very nice!! Very decent system for $300 clams!! 8) :D

Gaming performance:

http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/di ... html#sect0

http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/di ... html#sect0

Conclusion

Summing up our today’s tests, we can say that the new Kabini processors for Socket AM1 are AMD's best processors overall. However, they can be regarded as such not because they have some extraordinary features but just because AMD offers no other solutions capable of attracting a mass user. The Kabini has some clear advantages considering its market positioning

The Socket AM1 platform is positioned in the entry-level market segment due to its good combination of price and performance as well as performance and power consumption. Currently this segment is occupied by compact mainboards with integrated Intel Bay Trail processors or energy-efficient Celerons. AMD wants to oust Intel's offers by providing better specs and the potential upgrade capability. However, AMD's arguments seem questionable just like the overall potential of the Kabini on the desktop market.

The desktop Kabini is promoted by AMD as a cheap quad-core processor. Indeed, these Socket AM1 products deliver good performance at multithreaded loads where they are superior to their opponents such as quad-core Bay Trail-D and dual-core energy-efficient Ivy Bridge solutions. However, the Kabini is not so good at loads typical of entry-level desktop PCs: the senior model Athlon 5350 is considerably slower than the Celeron 1037U in this case. And, despite being based on the energy-efficient Jaguar microarchitecture and implemented as a system-on-chip, the Kabini is inferior to Intel's Bay Trail, particularly to the Celeron J1900, in terms of power consumption.

The Kabini might be saved by its integrated graphics, which is indeed better than the competitors’. Yet the graphics core is still not fast enough to ensure playability in latest 3D games. And the integrated multimedia engine is not compatible with AVC video at 4K resolutions.


So it turns out that the upgrade opportunity is the only indisputable advantage of AMD’s new platform. But frankly speaking, we doubt that many users will want to replace one entry-level processor with another. So even though it is the best solution AMD offers, its perspectives are vague.

It must be noted, however, that the Socket AM1 platform is targeted at the developing markets, specifically of the Latin American region. AMD claims such solutions enjoy high demand there. So perhaps our lack of interest in the desktop Kabini is only due to our different point of view in terms of sheer geography.


Still, it is a fairly decent nearly complete entry-level quadcore system loaded with Win7 and has keyboard and mouse ( everything but monitor and speakers for a truly "complete" system ) ( cpu is only 1.3 Ghz, I know , I know... :P ) for only $300 bux... :scout:
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