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HELP FOR NEW PC BUILD

Postby Phosphorus » Mon Jul 08, 2013 8:02 am

1) It will be a general purpose PC (Gaming, music production as recreation, watching movies, listening to music, internet).

2) My budget around 1000€

4) I need the following parts:

- Case
- Motherboard
- CPU
- CPU Cooler
- RAM
- GPU
- PSU
- Optical Drive

5) I'll reuse:

- Win7 64bit.
- 3 SATA HDDs
- Flatron w2241s - 1680x 1050 - 21.6" - I'll probably need a new one since it's flickering all the time. Now I've reduced the brightness to 50% and it is flickering much less.

6) I'll do overclock.

7) I plan on building the PC this or next month.

8) What I have in mind ATM:

- GTX 760 or Radeon 7970
- Intel Core i5 4670K
- Asus Z87-A Intel Z87 Motherboard
- 2x 8GB DDR3 RAM - I was thinking in the corsair vengeance ones.
- Cheapest SATA DVD burner
- Corsair TX650 V2 650W PSU
- Corsair 200R
- Coolermaster Hyper 212+
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Re: HELP FOR NEW PC BUILD

Postby Stupify » Mon Jul 08, 2013 9:20 am

Does the 1000€ include a new monitor or no?

For such a "high-mid" end system, no SSD seems a bit odd. I would rather cut cost somewhere to accommodate at least one 256GB drive - $180-$250Cdn with taxes.
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Re: HELP FOR NEW PC BUILD

Postby Hammer_Time » Mon Jul 08, 2013 10:06 am

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Welcome Phosphorus.

It looks like you have already picked out your components. ( They are good choices and I concur, very good "bang for the buck" ). The psu is Haswell compatible as well.

Without looking up your ip, I assume you are in Europe as you quote a budget of $1000 Euros...

Using xe.com currency translator I get this: 1,000.00 EUR = $1,285.99 USD

Forgive me for not using European website, but you should be able to find similar product over there ( at slightly higher prices no doubt ).

The GTX 760 is on par with the HD 7950 and a fantastic price, I recommend you go with that card instead of an overpriced HD 7970 card that you mentioned ( 7970 not worth the extra $$ for such slight performance gains ) especially since you are gaming at lower resolutions on your 22" monitor till you replace that...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6814121775

Rest of components are the ones you listed:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6819116899

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6813131981

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6820233299

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6817139005

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... alParent=1

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6835103065

All that adds up to $970 USD ( you will pay a bit more in Europe no doubt ).

So that still leaves around $200 in your budget to play with...

As Stupify says, that money would be wisely spent on an SSD, but seeing as how your old monitor is dying/flickering and you have to reduce brightness to 50%, I would hold off on the SSD ( buy one later and add it in ), use your existing HDD's for time being, and deffo buy a NEW monitor...

Something like this:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6824236102

Asus VE248H Black 24" 2ms Full HD HDMI LED Backlight LCD Monitor w/Speakers 250 cd/m2 10,000,000:1

$179.99


It does not make sense to build an awesome gaming tower and then have to play games on a crappy dying flickering small monitor...not to insult your old monitor, just saying here... invest the money where you really need to right now...add an SSD later on when budget affords.. if your monitor was perfect then I would recommend SSD in your system build, but budget dictates you will have to hold off on that for a while...

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Re: HELP FOR NEW PC BUILD

Postby Celt » Mon Jul 08, 2013 10:40 am

For the disks I would add an SSD for the OS, then put the program's and page file on two existing equal sized HDDs as RAID1 the use the third HDD as data. Corsair Vengeance is good memory and hasn't let me down. Europe prices can be variable so shop around. Being in the UK I use Scan a lot, but they are not always the cheapest.
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Re: HELP FOR NEW PC BUILD

Postby Hammer_Time » Mon Jul 08, 2013 11:24 am

Actually I change my mind about the motherboard, I would go with this nice ASRock board as it overclocks just as well as the Asus and had MUCH better onboard hi-fi audio! Plus it is $5 cheaper ( not that that really matters, within budget though ) :

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6813157369

ASRock Z87 Extreme4 LGA 1150 Intel Z87 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard

Home Cloud, Intel LAN, 115dB SNR Audio, HDMI-In

PURITY SOUND

Purity Sound is a combination of audio solutions and technologies that will satisfy even the pickiest audiophile. It includes 7.1 CH HD audio with Realtek ALC1150 audio codec, 115dB SNR DAC with Differential Amplifier, TI 5532 Premium Headset Amplifier (which supports up to 600 ohm headphones), a capless Direct Drive technology, EMI shielding cover, PCB isolate shielding, and support for DTS Connect. Unlike traditional onboard audio solutions that use single-sided output and capacitors, Purity Sound uses a differential codec for differential output. The signals provide Purity Sound by going through a differential amplifier TI NE5532 with Direct Drive technology.

$144.99


Review:

http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/ ... board/1788

Best onboard sound available right now:

http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/ ... ard/1788/4
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Re: HELP FOR NEW PC BUILD

Postby Phosphorus » Mon Jul 08, 2013 11:30 am

Thanks for the replies.

The monitor isn't included in the budget, I'm planning on buying it later along with the SSD.

Just made shopping cart:

CORSAIR TX-750W V2 - 98,60 €
INTEL CORE i5 4670K (3.4GHZ) SKT 1150 - 222,40 €
ASUS Z87-A - 137,80 €
CORSAIR HYDRO H70 (CORE EDITION)* - 72,20 €
CORSAIR CARBIDE 200R - 62,80 €
CORSAIR KIT 16GB DDR3 2133MHZ VENGEANCE PRO (CL11 - 1.5V) - 168,30 €
ASUS GTX760 DC2 OC 2GB DDR5 - 264,90

TOTAL: 1.027,00€

Does the RAM, PSU and the cooler worth it? Or am I better with the previous ones?
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Re: HELP FOR NEW PC BUILD

Postby Hammer_Time » Mon Jul 08, 2013 11:36 am

Are you sure you don't want to reconsider the mobo? Way better onboard audio ( audiophile quality sound, physically separated from mobo components and shielded ) with the similar ASRock board! :scout: :whistle:

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I would not spend the extra money on DDR-3 2133 Mhz memory, most games show little benefit above 1333 to 1600 Mhz in benchmarks... 1600 Mhz is the best bang for the buck right now ( value per $ ) and most of that will easily overclock to 1833 Mhz or slightly higher if you are lucky, so save and go with 1600 Mhz kit.

The Corsair H70 liquid cooling kit is nice if you want a quieter overall pc, and of course it will help with overclocking your Haswell cpu... go for it if budget affords.. might even consider the newer H100 kit if budget allows...

The 750 Watt Corsair psu is way overkill UNLESS you plan to add another GTX 760 card in SLi mode later on...else the 650 Watt is more than sufficient here...save your money...

Monitor and SSD can wait, as you mentioned!

Your shopping list looks pretty good now!! 8)
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Re: HELP FOR NEW PC BUILD

Postby Celt » Mon Jul 08, 2013 11:49 am

Sweet build
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Re: HELP FOR NEW PC BUILD

Postby Phosphorus » Mon Jul 08, 2013 11:52 am

On this site the ASRock i'ss more expensive 187,60 €. But your argument is persuasive indeed :D

Cart total with RAM 1600: 995,30€ and with the ASRock: 1.045,10€
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Re: HELP FOR NEW PC BUILD

Postby Hammer_Time » Mon Jul 08, 2013 12:06 pm

Wow, the ASRock is a lot more expensive over there in Europe!! ( are you sure you priced the "Xtreme 4" model and not the more expensive 9 or 11 model?? Just curious why it is so much more expensive over there...here it is $160 regular price on sale for $145 right now... )

I am rocking a cheap Asus Xonar DG ( $35 USD ) card here and really like it considering the low price, so you might decide to go with that and the cheaper Asus board, I guess in the end the sound and overall price would be the same in the end ( Asus board plus Asus Xonar DG sound card ) vs ASRock with onboard Purity Sound. Either way you are getting a great deal...

I do like that ASRock board though... you have lots of time to decide before final purchase too... :D
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Re: HELP FOR NEW PC BUILD

Postby Phosphorus » Mon Jul 08, 2013 2:16 pm

http://www.globaldata.pt/index.aspx?p=P ... 87EXTREME4 -> the only extreme4 available here - There is another site with 2 versions but the other components are more expensive.

Can the case even fit a H100? -_^
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Re: HELP FOR NEW PC BUILD

Postby DIREWOLF75 » Mon Jul 08, 2013 3:31 pm

What I have in mind ATM:

- GTX 760 or Radeon 7970
- Intel Core i5 4670K
- Asus Z87-A Intel Z87 Motherboard
- 2x 8GB DDR3 RAM - I was thinking in the corsair vengeance ones.
- Cheapest SATA DVD burner
- Corsair TX650 V2 650W PSU
- Corsair 200R
- Coolermaster Hyper 212+


Cant really say i have anything to add to that, you have picked out a very good selection from what i can see.

And as others have mentioned, having a SSD for system drive would be nice.

Does the RAM, PSU and the cooler worth it? Or am I better with the previous ones?

Well, 1600 or 1866 is probably a better level to aim for since the extra cash for 2133 isn´t really worth it.
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Re: HELP FOR NEW PC BUILD

Postby Hammer_Time » Mon Jul 08, 2013 6:55 pm

Phosphorus wrote:http://www.globaldata.pt/index.aspx?p=ProdDetailRef&ProdRef=ASRZ87EXTREME4 -> the only extreme4 available here - There is another site with 2 versions but the other components are more expensive.

Can the case even fit a H100? -_^


Ah, the radiator is quite large on the H100 alright...forgot about its huge 240mm radiator... :oops:

http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/co ... iew,2.html

H70 or H80 120mm radiator would be suitable for your chosen case...

Celt- you are using a Corsair H70 on your Sandy Bridge K cpu are you not?
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Re: HELP FOR NEW PC BUILD

Postby Celt » Mon Jul 08, 2013 11:22 pm

I am indeed. It was a bit awkward to mount (just like the previous incarnation, which I wrote a review about here somewhere) but the is the case design not the cooler. Work extremely well, and got a stable overclocking to 5GHz with temps barely over 50C
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Re: HELP FOR NEW PC BUILD

Postby Phosphorus » Tue Jul 09, 2013 6:00 am

A i7 4770K wouldn't worth it for the price too?

EDIT: I may increase the budget a bit if it means that I'll spend less money in the future. I'm currently looking for a case that will fit a H100i. COOLERMASTER CM 690 II ADVANCED WINDOW seems to fit -> "Can accommodate an internal 120 x 240 mm radiator at the top and bottom". But for 118€ IDK lol.
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Re: HELP FOR NEW PC BUILD

Postby Stupify » Tue Jul 09, 2013 10:38 am

what about increasing the budget to accommodate a SSD?
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Re: HELP FOR NEW PC BUILD

Postby Phosphorus » Tue Jul 09, 2013 11:08 am

http://www.globaldata.pt/index.aspx?p=P ... Z-7TD250BW -> the cheaper one in the store I'll probably buy all the stuff.
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Re: HELP FOR NEW PC BUILD

Postby Sauron_Daz » Tue Jul 09, 2013 11:08 am

Hammer_Time wrote:Wow, the ASRock is a lot more expensive over there in Europe!! ( are you sure you priced the "Xtreme 4" model and not the more expensive 9 or 11 model?? Just curious why it is so much more expensive over there...here it is $160 regular price on sale for $145 right now... )


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Re: HELP FOR NEW PC BUILD

Postby Sauron_Daz » Tue Jul 09, 2013 11:09 am

Stupify wrote:what about increasing the budget to accommodate a SSD?


That will be included in my next build for sure.
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Re: HELP FOR NEW PC BUILD

Postby Sauron_Daz » Tue Jul 09, 2013 11:20 am

Phosphorus wrote:EDIT: I may increase the budget a bit if it means that I'll spend less money in the future.

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That is hard to guarantee, but adding an SSD as Stupify suggests is a great idea.
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