Disgusted I'm never here anymore....

[Knownasthebest2004]

I've been a member of this forum, forever, but I haven't had the time nor chance to post anything helpful.

I browsed a bit of the forums, and still see there are many familiar faces still here which makes me quite happy.

My old PC died this week, and I'm kinda happy it did before it killed my gt430(I like low voltage cards, I don't do much gaming except for league of legends, and once in a blue moon PlanetSide2).

I'm looking for some help regarding a new Pc build. I have a case, hard-drives, and I'm gonna base the system off the gt430.

I'm looking to spend 400-600(max,but if it's not an i7, or a 8350 don't bother going into the 550$ range+).

I've been so far out of the computer loop, I don't know if the ram/processor/motherboard would even be compatible. (the last time I build a system was based off an opteron 165(yes, laugh).

I know I still have some friends here willing to give an old noobie a hand on deciding what to buy.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6813157266
ASRock 990FX Extreme4 - 139.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6819113286
AMD FX-6300 139.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6820233180
CORSAIR Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) 54.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6817182084
Rosewill FORTRESS Series FORTRESS-750 750W 119.99 (Not really looking for modular, as I have enough case fans to deal with the heat, and I'm loving the platinum 94% efficiency to save that 20$ a year, haha)

With Arctic silver 5, and a Sata Cd drive, it all comes out to around 510$ here.

I'm an AMD Fanboy, and will forever be, but I will take ALL builds into consideration. Thanks ALL

[Sauron_Daz]

Welcome back!
I fixed you sig: you didn't enable BBCode so setting a smaller font didn't work.

[Knownasthebest2004]

It's good to see you're still here, as well as MTX, Hammer, Celt and my 'ole friend MonkRX! The love of computing! Recommend me some stuff

[Sauron_Daz]

MTX doesn't post here anymore, too busy with his study.

$40 more will give you the 8320: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6819113285
which looks to be an unlocked CPU (by the color of the box).
Main difference with the 8350 is the base clock, but these OC like crazy, so getting there (and past it) is a possibility with the 8320 provided you have a good cooler and a well ventilated case.

[Sauron_Daz]

And I would take a look at this mobo: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6813128514
Only $10 more but a much better brand. I started to use Gigabyte boards two builds ago and haven't looked back ever since.

[Knownasthebest2004]

I was thinking about that exact same motherboard, and I think I will get it, the ram will work with it 100%? As for the 8320, I don't think the performance increase will be that great for the money. I've seen some benchmarks, and they really are neck and neck, if computers barely make use of the added cores, is 2 more cores worth the extra money?

[DIREWOLF75]

You should probably look towards an Intel i5 first of all, AMD has fallen behind badly in the last few years.
The RAM you posted looks good. Don´t bother getting less than 8GB, consider more, it´s cheap enough that it might be worth it.

[Sauron_Daz]

I was thinking about that exact same motherboard, and I think I will get it, the ram will work with it 100%? As for the 8320, I don't think the performance increase will be that great for the money. I've seen some benchmarks, and they really are neck and neck, if computers barely make use of the added cores, is 2 more cores worth the extra money?

That exact memory is listed in the 'memory modules supported' list ( http://www.gigabyte.com/products/product-page.aspx?pid=3894#memory%20support%20list) for that mobo.

The trend is to thread software more and more, including games, so yes: more cores can be/will be worth it.

[Knownasthebest2004]

I vowed never to buy another Intel machine, they're rich enough already! and the fx-6130 seems suffice for my needs.


So, I did the paperclip test on my power-supply, the fans started up on it, the other power-supply I tried was dead. Could the other power-supply being completely dead have killed my motherboard(no leaking capacitors though, I double checked) motherboard light still turns on, nothing in any of the pci-e/pci slots/ just the motherboard fan/ ram/ and the processor. I get nothing, the power-supply doesn't even turn on when started. I've tried letting it sit for a day before trying to drain any of the capacitors on the motherboard itself. I hate to see one of my first builds go to waste =\... Any way to actually check the motherboard for functionality? DFI Lanparty SLI Ultra D-Expert. (2004/2005 days )

[Hammer_Time]

Welcome back, been a while indeed! Glad you did not forget about us in your time of need!

Review on the Rosewill psu you linked to:

http://www.jonnyguru.com/modules.php?na ... 5&reid=306

Build Quality (20% of the final score) - We definitely found an issue with our samples with the broken +12V strands. Rosewill still hasn't found any units showing the same signs as mine. The last I heard they are checking their stock in Taiwan, which is where my units came from but so far, this is looking to be an isolated issue. Nonetheless, both of these samples showed signs of broken strands on the +12V wires so I'm pulling a point off for that. I also feel that the soldering needs improved more in some areas than others, which leaves me pulling another point there. An 8 here.

I am not a huge Rosewill fan because of things like the above... sure I would buy one of their fans or small component, but nothing major from them like a psu...too risky...

I think a 750 Watt psu is way overkill especially since you intend to use a low-power video card ( GT 430 ). Any decent 500 Watt psu will be more than sufficient for a system such as the one you listed.

I would take a look at this:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6817151094

SeaSonic S12II 520 Bronze 520W ATX12V V2.3 / EPS 12V V2.91 80 PLUS BRONZE Certified Active PFC Power Supply

$64.99

80 plus Bronze Certified ( Efficiency >87% ) , 40 amps on single +12V rail ( plenty ), Japanese high-temp caps, near-silent.. very solid psu... one of the best brands out there...

Put the money saved into the motherboard, the one Sauron recommended is quite nice...

FX-6300 will be fine for your needs ( $140 ).

Ram linked to will work fine in that Gigabyte mobo...

That will give you a nice system and under budget too! ( cheaper psu ).

BTW, have you considered a SSD flash drive for your new build? They are fairly cheap... just get one big enough to hold your OS and a few apps, keep your old HDD for data storage. Makes the system feel much "snappier" overall.

If really on tight budget then just get this nifty affordable SSD Cache drive, both Sauron and I bought it and quite like it!! :

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... rentOnly=1

Only $50 and the it is the best $50 I ever spent on my system tbh...stuff loads way faster...

[Knownasthebest2004]

Glad you still remember me Hammer , and glad you're still willing to help after all those long years!

I've seen some reviews comparing bronze PSU's to Platinum, and the 25$ savings a year(my computer will most likely be on 24/7) seems to justify getting a platinum/gold psu over a bronze. Taking the chance on the Rosswill with the 7 year warranty isn't always the best option, but I don't want to skimp on a Power-supply; I never have, never will!

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6817151119
(GOLD, Modular, 89.99$, 45A) -5 year seasonic
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6817104098
(Gold, 4 Rails @ 18A each, 94.99$) I've always known FSP to be an amazing brand. 5 years limited

I'm seriously taking into account the PSU you've posted, but why bronze over silver/gold/platinum?
I do have a SSD, The difference is insane compared to a regular hard drive.

I will be buying all of this within the next 3 weeks! I have that time to decide on the Power-supply, keep 'em comin'

[Knownasthebest2004]

I just read a bit of overclockers forums, and they said Rosswill is just a generic based PSU based off Neweggs support, so unless newegg goes out of business it's 7 year warranty will always be valid. I've also seen quite a few people post they've gotten 450W psu's, and the 750W and are quite happy. The reason they aren't extremely satisfied as it's not modular( the fortress series). It's sort of a toss up, as all other platinum series power supplies at 500W+ are 149.99$+ while this one is almost under 100$.

[Sauron_Daz]

I'd rather have a PSU with a single rail (delivering enough amps) then a modular one, but since you decided on a GPU that's not so power hungry, I suppose you can choose between them at will.

[Hammer_Time]

Glad you still remember me Hammer , and glad you're still willing to help after all those long years!

I've seen some reviews comparing bronze PSU's to Platinum, and the 25$ savings a year(my computer will most likely be on 24/7) seems to justify getting a platinum/gold psu over a bronze. Taking the chance on the Rosswill with the 7 year warranty isn't always the best option, but I don't want to skimp on a Power-supply; I never have, never will!

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6817151119
(GOLD, Modular, 89.99$, 45A) -5 year seasonic
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6817104098
(Gold, 4 Rails @ 18A each, 94.99$) I've always known FSP to be an amazing brand. 5 years limited

I'm seriously taking into account the PSU you've posted, but why bronze over silver/gold/platinum?
I do have a SSD, The difference is insane compared to a regular hard drive.

I will be buying all of this within the next 3 weeks! I have that time to decide on the Power-supply, keep 'em comin'

Ah, the only reason I picked an 80 Plus Bronze certified psu instead of a platinum etc. was simply price... since you don't run a power-hungry video card then no need for a 750 Watt psu ( regardless of its efficiency ), so was just trying to get the cost of the psu down for you, that was all... Since you don't mind spending $90 to $100 on a psu then you should get a Platinum certified psu for max efficiency, agreed. Electricity is not getting any cheaper, that is for sure...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6817151119

Very nice psu...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6817104098

FSP is very good brand too, but check out this description of its efficiency:

80 PLUS GOLD CERTIFIED

80 PLUS Gold certified power supplies provide high power efficiency of over 88% at any load between 20% and 100%, saving your money on your electrical bill, reducing heat in your computer's system and prolonging its life.

The Seasonic Bronze psu I listed before was rated at >87% efficiency, only 1% less than the GOLD certified psu above!! We are splitting hairs here...

I am confident you will choose a very good psu in the end, happy shopping!!

Ah, you already have an SSD in your system, awesome!!

Methinks you will be greatly pleased with your new build once you get it up and running...

I like the Seasonic psu's the most ( most respected brand in psu in general ), but any of the psu's listed in this thread so far are quite good!

[Knownasthebest2004]

I'm kinda torn now, since my friend brought up this : http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDeal ... bo.1202629
8350 paired with a G.SKILL Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) for only 244$. 244+140$ Motherboard=384$+Powersupply@ 100=484$. I've always been a Corsair fan, how are your thoughts on G.Skill paired with that gigabyte above?

I honestly didn't want any trouble installing the processor, and it giving me those beeps that I need to flash the motherboard for it to work(buying another processor just to do that). I want to buy it all, install it, and get to gaming within 4 hours. I've done many computer builds, but you guys have a lot more valuable information regarding the futuristic of AMD's Components then I will ever. What are your thoughts? Which will give me the best bang for my buck?

[Knownasthebest2004]

almost 4,000 more points in passmark: http://cpubenchmark.net/high_end_cpus.html 8350 compared to the 6300... Also two more cores.. I think I've found my answer, but the ram....... is the question...

[Hammer_Time]

That combo deal is too good to pass up!! You only save $12 but still, that puts AMD's best cpu and decent 8 GB DDR-3 1600 Mhz kit in your budget range now...if you have to go with a cheaper psu to afford this combo, I highly suggest you do that...slightly cheaper psu that is...still high quality.

The 8350 is notably faster than the 6300, even in general desktop performance:

http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/di ... html#sect1

If you do any kind of transcoding of media, you will love having 8 cores for that...

I am too lazy to look up the memory QVL for that Giggy mobo to see if it is compatible but am 99% sure it is...best to look it up yourself and make 100% sure before purchase of course. G.Skill is an excellent brand of ram, in fact I am running a 4 GB DDR-3 1333 Mhz kit of it myself and zero problems with it...

Go for it!!

[Sauron_Daz]

I'm kinda torn now, since my friend brought up this : http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDeal ... bo.1202629
8350 paired with a G.SKILL Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) for only 244$. 244+140$ Motherboard=384$+Powersupply@ 100=484$. I've always been a Corsair fan, how are your thoughts on G.Skill paired with that gigabyte above?

The 2 GB modules of that series are listed in the memory module compatibility list. They don't test all modules out there, but I'm 100% sure they will work: the 4GB memory modules in my AMD PC are also not listed, but the 2 GB modules are.
And they work flawlessly.

[Sauron_Daz]

I am too lazy to look up the memory QVL for that Giggy mobo to see if it is compatible but am 99% sure it is...best to look it up yourself and make 100% sure before purchase of course. G.Skill is an excellent brand of ram, in fact I am running a 4 GB DDR-3 1333 Mhz kit of it myself and zero problems with it...

Go for it!!

You lazy you!!
I looked it up: see the message above this one.

[Hammer_Time]

( for you and me, my laziness paid off here!! )