anyone watch Halo: Forward unto dawn?

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anyone watch Halo: Forward unto dawn?

Postby clone » Sat Nov 24, 2012 12:19 am

just watched 2 episodes and am on the 3rd.... seems pretty decent.
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Re: anyone watch Halo: Forward unto dawn?

Postby clone » Sat Nov 24, 2012 1:32 am

ok just watched all of it and overall it's pretty decent save for one thing.... that one thing that 99% of anything coming out of Hollywood ... and pretty much anywhere else suffers from.

the series is guilty of using combat to set tone... strictly instead of allowing combat to be honest, a place where good guys die as well as bad guys.

it's a long term gripe of mine that most action flicks decide that first well make it look hopeless because the bad guys are so damned good until they aren't at which point our heroes will slaughter them en masse because really they were always incompetent but hadn't yet come across good guys that can actually fight.

so what is the answer.... well how about instead of stupid paradigm shifts where one side is incredibly proficient until on cue they suddenly lose all sense and capability we simply add more disposable good guys and make the battling far more grim, viscious, less lopsided.... battling where good guys still die...... wow so easy yet so incredibly hard for movies to manage, good guys dying throughout the entire movie.... so impossibly hard for filmakers to consider.

a simple ratio selection to use as a guideline for all action scenes would be perfect because it would limit the usual directoral fiat from spinning into absurdity.....so anyway Halo's sin is akin to the Star Wars dilemma, bad guys attack and are significant, they slaughter, they are brutal, efficient, professional..... very effective until the "real" good guys show then they are fodder, incompetent, good guys can't miss, no biggie "how about we walk the rest of the way without really aiming or dodging because it's been decided the good guys can't miss anymore and the bad buys can no longer aim"..... with Halo this is even more absurd because Covenant weapons don't require precision, the spike weapons are proximity guided and the pistols auto aim.... except of course when the story requires they stop working as well.

anyway Forward Unto Dawn has a lot of good ideas with a nice level of grimness to boot including "good guys" that die (the horror) until the last half at which point the coin flipped and nope only baddies are to die, the Covenant is now a joke.

give it a 7.5 out of 10 and look forward to another episode so long as I don't have to see another "spray & pray" scene that has every bullet fired by the "good guy" while running let alone driving hitting a target without failure.
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Re: anyone watch Halo: Forward unto dawn?

Postby DIREWOLF75 » Sat Nov 24, 2012 4:32 am

a solid credibility creator would be to decide on a ratio and then creatively stick to it.... say 3 bad guys dead for every 1 good guy, now when setting your scenes all you have to do is decide how many bad guys you want to see killed to determine how many disposable good guys you'll be creatively killing off.

Terribly bad idea. Your´re just mass-adding redshirts to the story, completely defeating your own stated purpose.

That might even be worse than what you want to fix. Killing off disposable good guys doesn´t make much difference unless either director or story writer is a real wiz.

5 good guys have to die for a movie to have any real impact...... that's right for a movie to have an impact we the viewer cannot know who will live and who will die and that includes the really good guys.... a few of them have to go, sorry.... it's the difference between a great movie and a crap one, an epic movie and a typical piece of homogenous blandness.

No they don´t have to die, but the threat has to be credible, or perceived as such.

Though someone who is really good, can manage suspense and drama even without that just by good story, opposition or scene setting. Those tend to be very rare unfortunately.
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Re: anyone watch Halo: Forward unto dawn?

Postby clone » Sat Nov 24, 2012 8:09 am

Terribly bad idea. Your´re just mass-adding redshirts to the story, completely defeating your own stated purpose.
"terribly bad idea"... "terribly"..... ? now Direwolf explain how showing action involving both sides dying makes scenes less intense, is less credible, is less compelling especially when the alternative is a 180 reversal involving the previously threatening bad guys suddenly becoming entirely incompetent and getting slaughtered.

do you even read what you type?

here's an idea don't put them in red shirts, or more to the point don't make it obvious....and btw how exactly is it completely defeating my own stated purpose... exactly how Direwolf?
No they don´t have to die, but the threat has to be credible, or perceived as such.
yes they do have to die... many of them, their is no other option if you want the threat to be real.
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Re: anyone watch Halo: Forward unto dawn?

Postby DIREWOLF75 » Sat Nov 24, 2012 1:04 pm

don't put them in red shirts, or more to the point don't make it obvious....and btw how exactly is it completely defeating my own stated purpose... exactly how Direwolf?

You specifically set up to have DISPOSABLE good guys. Practically the definition of redshirts. And even if they´re not ST style and actually wearing red shirts, that usually doesn´t matter, people tend to spot redshirts with ease anyway.

So instead of knowing that all the good guys are going to live, everyone will be able to say "those guys are going to die, the other good guys wont".
At least as bad.

yes they do have to die, not all but some if they don't the threat is the opposite of.

The audience doesn´t know WHEN or HOW someone might get killed.

both sides losing during epic action scenes by your measure is a "terribly bad idea"...

Please reread and comprehend what i said instead of making a strawman argument.

And skip the personal attacks just once in a while will you?
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Re: anyone watch Halo: Forward unto dawn?

Postby Hammer_Time » Sat Nov 24, 2012 1:15 pm

Agree with Dire, no need for personal attacks... I know it is hard sometimes, but for the greater good here... :wink:
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Re: anyone watch Halo: Forward unto dawn?

Postby clone » Sat Nov 24, 2012 1:22 pm

So instead of knowing that all the good guys are going to live, everyone will be able to say "those guys are going to die, the other good guys wont".
do you have any idea how close minded that response is?...... this is how you formulated your "terribly bad idea" response..... sigh.

it's not personal Direwolf, it's a bad, really bad response.
The audience doesn´t know WHEN or HOW someone might get killed.
whether no one dies or if almost everyone dies that mystery remains the same, the problem with not allowing the battles to have some honesty in them is that now the movie is contradicting it's message, undermining the threat the Covenant are supposed to be not just by the end of the episode but now throughout the entire episode because the failures are ongoing, the menace is lost leaving only the stupid.

why are the 4 bothering to leave the planet?... seriously the movie suddenly decided the covenant are now going to be incompetent, the music has changed so why not grab some ammo.... or given it's not really required pick up some twigs and start poking out the eyes of the Covenant because they are worthless now.

Direwolf when you claimed the proposal was a "terribly bad idea".... how about you tone it down because when you polarize your position.... an exceptionally weak position btw and leave it wide open I will without hesitation rip it to shreds every single time.
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Re: anyone watch Halo: Forward unto dawn?

Postby clone » Mon Nov 26, 2012 9:36 am

I guess that's a no, no one else has watched Halo: forward unto dawn.... lol.
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