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Warp speed on the horizon

Postby Sauron_Daz » Wed Sep 19, 2012 5:39 am

At least according NASA.
It may take a while...
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Re: Warp speed on the horizon

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Re: Warp speed on the horizon

Postby Sauron_Daz » Wed Sep 19, 2012 6:02 am

:lol:
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Re: Warp speed on the horizon

Postby DIREWOLF75 » Wed Sep 19, 2012 10:26 am

Sauron_Daz wrote:At least according NASA.
It may take a while...

About time someone else at least tries to get serious.

The big question is how they are going to create the bubble. I shelved the idea(or something similar) ~15 years ago because of a complete lack of ability to interact with reality in the way needed.

Well, i´m totally hoping for their quick success.
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Re: Warp speed on the horizon

Postby Sauron_Daz » Thu Sep 20, 2012 12:52 am

They'll require a beast of an energy supply..
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Re: Warp speed on the horizon

Postby Sauron_Daz » Thu Sep 20, 2012 12:52 am

Sauron_Daz wrote:They'll require a beast of an energy generator..
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Re: Warp speed on the horizon

Postby Fuzz » Thu Sep 20, 2012 4:30 am

No wonder you have so many posts, you quote yourself! kinda....
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Re: Warp speed on the horizon

Postby DIREWOLF75 » Thu Sep 20, 2012 5:31 am

Fuzz wrote:No wonder you have so many posts, you quote yourself! kinda....

He´s the ultimate rebel.


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Re: Warp speed on the horizon

Postby Hammer_Time » Thu Sep 20, 2012 7:51 am

:lol: :lol:

If something is quoted on the internets, then it it must automatically be true!! :wink: :whistle: :lol:

http://science.howstuffworks.com/warp-speed.htm

The Warp Drive

The ability to manipulate space is the most important concept in regard to warp speed. If the Enterprise could warp the space-time continuum by expanding the area behind it and contracting the area in front, the crew could avoid going the speed of light. As long as it creates its own gravitational field, the starship could travel locally at very slow velocities, therefore avoiding the pitfalls of Newton's Third Law of Motion and keeping clocks in sync with its launch site and destination. The ship isn't really traveling at a "speed," per se -- it's more like it's pulling its destination toward it while pushing its starting point back.


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Because the ideas behind Einstein's General Theory of Relativity are complex and still open to interpretation, this leaves the possibilities wide open for science fiction writers. We may not know how to bend space and time with our current technology, but a fictional civilization set in the future may be completely capable of inventing such a device with the right imagination.


That's the basic idea in a nutshell... now to simply "implement" it, Aye, now there's the rub!! :wink: :twisted: :lol:
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Re: Warp speed on the horizon

Postby Sauron_Daz » Fri Sep 21, 2012 2:37 am

Fuzz wrote:No wonder you have so many posts, you quote yourself! kinda....


Don't know how that happened... :|
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Re: Warp speed on the horizon

Postby Sauron_Daz » Fri Sep 21, 2012 2:42 am

Hammer_Time wrote::lol: :lol:

If something is quoted on the internets, then it it must automatically be true!! :wink: :whistle: :lol:


:lol: Good excuse, thanks!!
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Re: Warp speed on the horizon

Postby Walter S. Farrell » Mon Oct 15, 2012 5:48 am

A detailed analysis is here.

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Re: Warp speed on the horizon

Postby Hammer_Time » Mon Oct 15, 2012 10:02 am

Yes, but we will have to wait for Zefram Cochrane to invent warp drive in 2063! :wink: :D

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warp_drive

Warp drive is one of the fundamental features of the Star Trek storyline; in the first pilot episode of Star Trek: The Original Series, "The Cage", it is referred to as a "hyperdrive"/"time warp" drive combination, and it is stated that the "time barrier" has been broken, allowing a group of stranded interstellar travelers to return to Earth far sooner than would have otherwise been possible.
The episode "Metamorphosis", also from the original series, establishes a backstory for the invention of warp drive on Earth, stating that Zefram Cochrane discovered the 'space warp'. Cochrane is repeatedly referred to afterwards, but the exact details of the first warp trials were not shown until the second Star Trek: The Next Generation movie, Star Trek: First Contact. The movie depicts Cochrane as having invented warp drive on Earth in 2063 (two years after the date speculated by the first edition of the Star Trek Chronology). By using a matter/antimatter reactor to create plasma, and by sending this plasma through warp coils, he created a warp bubble which he could use to move a craft into subspace and hence exceed the speed of light. This successful first trial led directly to first contact with the Vulcans.
The later prequel series Star Trek: Enterprise describes the warp engine technology as a 'Gravimetric Field Displacement Manifold' (Commander Tucker's tour, "Cold Front"), and describes the device as being powered by an anti-matter/matter reaction which powers the two separate nacelles (one on each side of the ship) to create a displacement field (the aforementioned "bubble") The episode also firmly establishes that many other civilizations had warp drive before humans; First Contact co-writer Ronald D. Moore suggested that Cochrane's drive was in some way superior to forms that existed beforehand, and was gradually adopted by the galaxy at large.[2] Throughout the series, the viewer is made aware that the Vulcans have more advanced warp drive technology than humans even in the 22nd century. Enterprise, set in 2151 onwards, follows the voyages of the first human ship capable of traveling at warp factor 5.2 which under the old warp table formula, is about 140 times the speed of light. In the episode "Broken Bow", Capt. Archer equates warp 4.5 as "...Neptune and back [from Earth] in six minutes."


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Re: Warp speed on the horizon

Postby Sauron_Daz » Mon Oct 15, 2012 12:06 pm

I wonder: do objects get stretched as well? If so we may end up living on a banana....
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Re: Warp speed on the horizon

Postby clone » Mon Oct 15, 2012 7:06 pm

no one here really believes we will be seeing warp speed anytime soon right?

their is a discussion every year called the 100 year starship public symposium, This American Life sent a reporter and I urge any with a little interest to listen to it, it's only 6 1/2 minutes long, the rest of the episode is great but it highlights that we aren't there yet .... sort of like were still at the "hey I'd like to make a warp drive despite knowing nothing at all on how to make it." level.

http://www.thisamericanlife.org/radio-a ... /adventure

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Re: Warp speed on the horizon

Postby DIREWOLF75 » Mon Oct 15, 2012 7:17 pm

no one here really believes we will be seeing warp speed anytime soon right?

Open question.

5 years or never? Both are about as likely.
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Re: Warp speed on the horizon

Postby Hammer_Time » Mon Oct 15, 2012 11:28 pm

Sauron_Daz wrote:I wonder: do objects get stretched as well? If so we may end up living on a banana....


No, everything inside the "warp bubble" behaves normally, as if the ship were in "normal" space, even time would remain synchronous with time back on Earth. Inside the ship you would not feel any sense of motion at all, think of the ship "contracting space" in front of you, and "expanding space" behind you, that pulls the ship along at warp speed(s). You would feel exactly the same as if the ship were motionless in space, no "pull of acceleration" sensations whatsoever. No objects inside the warp bubble would be "stretched". Of course space-time in front of and behind the warp bubble is getting "stretched" ( contracted then expanded ), but not inside the warp bubble.
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Re: Warp speed on the horizon

Postby Hammer_Time » Mon Oct 15, 2012 11:29 pm

clone wrote:no one here really believes we will be seeing warp speed anytime soon right?


Possibly in 50 to 100 years time... never say never! :wink:
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Re: Warp speed on the horizon

Postby Sauron_Daz » Mon Oct 15, 2012 11:31 pm

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Sauron_Daz wrote:I wonder: do objects get stretched as well? If so we may end up living on a banana....


No, everything inside the "warp bubble" behaves normally, as if the ship were in "normal" space, even time would remain synchronous with time back on Earth. Inside the ship you would not feel any sense of motion at all, think of the ship "contracting space" in front of you, and "expanding space" behind you, that pulls the ship along at warp speed(s). You would feel exactly the same as if the ship were motionless in space, no "pull of acceleration" sensations whatsoever. No objects inside the warp bubble would be "stretched". Of course space-time in front of and behind the warp bubble is getting "stretched" ( contracted then expanded ), but not inside the warp bubble.


The planet would not be inside the bubble, but what happens if it was just in front of it and the ship is continuing on its course..
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Re: Warp speed on the horizon

Postby Hammer_Time » Tue Oct 16, 2012 3:57 am

Planet?? The trick is to avoid planets and such when travelling at warp speed... I don't think a warp drive is designed to contract a whole "planet" or other object of significant mass... just through empty space, else it would be like driving a car into a brick wall methinks...
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