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by thefallen » Sun Nov 06, 2011 11:55 am
by clone » Sun Nov 06, 2011 9:25 pm
by Hammer_Time » Sun Nov 06, 2011 9:32 pm
Performance Summary: With all of the results now in, let's analyze the numbers and see what they tell us. First up, the AMD FirePro V7900 had a great showing overall throughout all of our benchmarks. It performed better than the FirePro V7800 in most of our tests, and even trumped the high-end FirePro V8800 in a few. That's especially impressive considering the V8800 is technically a more powerful card and costs about $1200. Without a doubt, the AMD FirePro V7900 delivered the goods--professional users should definitely take note.
In the past, we've said that the multiple monitor Eyefinity technology found throughout the latest FirePro line is one of its greatest strengths, and we believe that statement remains true today. If you're on the fence between a FirePro or Quadro, and multiple monitors is a concern, keep that in mind. AMD hits more price points than NVIDIA by offering consumers more models to choose from at competitive price points. There are no fewer than 16 current generation FirePro cards available on the market at this time. On the other hand, Quadro cards have shown their performance lead at the high end. But if you're looking for a low power, multiple monitor solution for your 3D animation and rendering workloads, definitely check out the new FirePro V7900 and V5900 cards from AMD.
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Posted: 07:55 AM 2 Weeks Ago
A simple i7 with SSD and 8gb ram with any gaming nvidia card 500x will blow anything out of the water for rendering and modelling, do you really need more? Just ensure the card has a gig.
Those pro cards don't necessarily update the viewports any faster. They can offer overlay and other stuff though for mixing realtime video with 3D. They really just support a few extra extensions. For modelling, they offer no improvement that you will notice.
Back in the old days you could unlock those extensions (a few years ago when I was in 3D as a day job), and you could get accelerated wireframes and a few other bits and pieces) by hacking the bios in. These days, its the exact same hardware, but they cut a few pins on the circuit on the gaming cards so they can't get unlocked in software. It's really not worth the additional expense.
This machine will mostly be used for digital content development for small indie game projects and photorealistic 3D rendered scenes (3DsMax, PhotoshopCS5, ZBrush, Unity3D and FlashCS5).
SSD will make unity, flash and ps fly. Those are file heavy at the best of times. The i7 will maul all the listed apps. if you must, get 2 i7's.
nvidia is best. Ati is cheaper. Thats the state of affairs right now.
Please ignore industry cards like quadro or fire, or whatever, you're not going to do anything except lose money. Money that's best spent on great software like unity pro, more ram, and a far better display (preferbly, dual high quality displays).
Investing in a top quality multiple monitor setup will pay off big time in productivity. A gaming card will eat 2 for breakfast. A quadro will eat 16. Do you need 16 monitors? no. Do you need more than 1gb onboard ram? nope. The point of the workstation cards is they can do an insane amount of antialiasing and have the ram for extremely high resolutions. Resolutions and AA you will never use unless you are doing realtime overlays for production. They will not help you render more polygons than a gaming card, nor help you do photoreal renders.
Most of the extensions in the pro cards do not actually get accessed by anything but custom software either. Max and Maya have realtime previews and accelerated renders which workstation cards can be used for (but so can gaming cards), and these will not give you photoreal renders. For that, you need to trim back the spending on the card, and give more spending on the cpu.
There's a lot of buzz talk on how it can accelerate rendering, but due to the large array of programs you use (most of which don't care a jot for quadro) you will be wasting it.
Get two i7's, SSD, a top-line gaming card, as as much ram as you can with two displays of really high quality.
The benchmarks
Because of the unique nature and usage scenarios of these workstation GPUs, we are not going to break down dozens of different benchmarks and give you Crysis numbers and all of that—it’s ultimately pointless, and people who are the target market for this class of hardware don’t really need to know how they perform in 3DMark at any rate. Our test system was an AMD Phenom X4 965 at 3.4ghz and 4gb of RAM on Windows 7 64-bit. We’ll do a follow-up article with the charts and graphs that the more pedantic among you expect, along with some interesting comparisons to other products, but in the meantime, I will summarize it with this: In SpecViewperf 11, the V7900 is about neck-and-neck with the $4000 NVIDIA Quadro 6000, and in some tests exceeded the legendary Q6000. This is a bull in a china shop, this card.
For now, considering the performance, new technologies, incredible advancements in power usage, and very compelling price, I have no doubts at all about presenting AMD our coveted Golden Fedora award for this groundbreaking release. This generation of cards is a very, very serious game changer for a great many people in a lot of different industries, and if you are at all serious about DCC, signage, science, imaging, oil & gas exploration, and other workstation GPU tasks, you absolutely must take a long and hard look at these cards, because they may vastly improve your work.
by Sauron_Daz » Sun Nov 06, 2011 11:19 pm
$4000 Quadro 6000 ( a $4000 or so card!! )
by Hammer_Time » Sun Nov 06, 2011 11:22 pm
by Sauron_Daz » Sun Nov 06, 2011 11:30 pm
by thefallen » Sun Nov 06, 2011 11:49 pm
Hammer_Time wrote:Mebbe this review can help you decide:
http://hothardware.com/Reviews/AMD-Fire ... Graphics-/Performance Summary: With all of the results now in, let's analyze the numbers and see what they tell us. First up, the AMD FirePro V7900 had a great showing overall throughout all of our benchmarks. It performed better than the FirePro V7800 in most of our tests, and even trumped the high-end FirePro V8800 in a few. That's especially impressive considering the V8800 is technically a more powerful card and costs about $1200. Without a doubt, the AMD FirePro V7900 delivered the goods--professional users should definitely take note.
In the past, we've said that the multiple monitor Eyefinity technology found throughout the latest FirePro line is one of its greatest strengths, and we believe that statement remains true today. If you're on the fence between a FirePro or Quadro, and multiple monitors is a concern, keep that in mind. AMD hits more price points than NVIDIA by offering consumers more models to choose from at competitive price points. There are no fewer than 16 current generation FirePro cards available on the market at this time. On the other hand, Quadro cards have shown their performance lead at the high end. But if you're looking for a low power, multiple monitor solution for your 3D animation and rendering workloads, definitely check out the new FirePro V7900 and V5900 cards from AMD.
http://fireuser.com/blog/side_by_side_c ... _in_catia/
This thread should interest you a lot:
http://forum.unity3d.com/threads/109128 ... uadro-4000hippocoder
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Posted: 07:55 AM 2 Weeks Ago
A simple i7 with SSD and 8gb ram with any gaming nvidia card 500x will blow anything out of the water for rendering and modelling, do you really need more? Just ensure the card has a gig.
Those pro cards don't necessarily update the viewports any faster. They can offer overlay and other stuff though for mixing realtime video with 3D. They really just support a few extra extensions. For modelling, they offer no improvement that you will notice.
Back in the old days you could unlock those extensions (a few years ago when I was in 3D as a day job), and you could get accelerated wireframes and a few other bits and pieces) by hacking the bios in. These days, its the exact same hardware, but they cut a few pins on the circuit on the gaming cards so they can't get unlocked in software. It's really not worth the additional expense.
This machine will mostly be used for digital content development for small indie game projects and photorealistic 3D rendered scenes (3DsMax, PhotoshopCS5, ZBrush, Unity3D and FlashCS5).
SSD will make unity, flash and ps fly. Those are file heavy at the best of times. The i7 will maul all the listed apps. if you must, get 2 i7's.
nvidia is best. Ati is cheaper. Thats the state of affairs right now.
Please ignore industry cards like quadro or fire, or whatever, you're not going to do anything except lose money. Money that's best spent on great software like unity pro, more ram, and a far better display (preferbly, dual high quality displays).
Investing in a top quality multiple monitor setup will pay off big time in productivity. A gaming card will eat 2 for breakfast. A quadro will eat 16. Do you need 16 monitors? no. Do you need more than 1gb onboard ram? nope. The point of the workstation cards is they can do an insane amount of antialiasing and have the ram for extremely high resolutions. Resolutions and AA you will never use unless you are doing realtime overlays for production. They will not help you render more polygons than a gaming card, nor help you do photoreal renders.
Most of the extensions in the pro cards do not actually get accessed by anything but custom software either. Max and Maya have realtime previews and accelerated renders which workstation cards can be used for (but so can gaming cards), and these will not give you photoreal renders. For that, you need to trim back the spending on the card, and give more spending on the cpu.
There's a lot of buzz talk on how it can accelerate rendering, but due to the large array of programs you use (most of which don't care a jot for quadro) you will be wasting it.
Get two i7's, SSD, a top-line gaming card, as as much ram as you can with two displays of really high quality.
http://tech.icrontic.com/article/amd-un ... and-v7900/The benchmarks
Because of the unique nature and usage scenarios of these workstation GPUs, we are not going to break down dozens of different benchmarks and give you Crysis numbers and all of that—it’s ultimately pointless, and people who are the target market for this class of hardware don’t really need to know how they perform in 3DMark at any rate. Our test system was an AMD Phenom X4 965 at 3.4ghz and 4gb of RAM on Windows 7 64-bit. We’ll do a follow-up article with the charts and graphs that the more pedantic among you expect, along with some interesting comparisons to other products, but in the meantime, I will summarize it with this: In SpecViewperf 11, the V7900 is about neck-and-neck with the $4000 NVIDIA Quadro 6000, and in some tests exceeded the legendary Q6000. This is a bull in a china shop, this card.For now, considering the performance, new technologies, incredible advancements in power usage, and very compelling price, I have no doubts at all about presenting AMD our coveted Golden Fedora award for this groundbreaking release. This generation of cards is a very, very serious game changer for a great many people in a lot of different industries, and if you are at all serious about DCC, signage, science, imaging, oil & gas exploration, and other workstation GPU tasks, you absolutely must take a long and hard look at these cards, because they may vastly improve your work.
Firepro V7900 keeps up with a $4000 Quadro 6000 ( a $4000 or so card!! ) in some benchmarks, and is faster than a Quadro 4000 most of the time, and it has Eyefinity multi-monitor support as well...
Quadro 4000 costs $780 on newegg right now: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6814133324
FirePro V7900 costs $700 on newegg right now: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... &Tpk=v7900
I would definitely go with the V7900, it is a faster overall card and $80 cheaper!! Uses less power, and Eyefinity multimonitor support, win win!
As Clone mentioned, cpu power and amount of ram/speed also make a big difference in these applications, so "spread the wealth" so to speak for best results here. Cheers.
by Hammer_Time » Mon Nov 07, 2011 12:07 am
Corsair Force Series GT CSSD-F120GBGT-BK 2.5" 120GB SATA III Internal Solid State Drive (SSD)
was: $299.99
$199.99
Pros: In my experience I have found that the ONLY thing that is in need of being done is that the Sleep Options in Win7 OS need to be deactivated. The problem in the SSD is that the Sandforce Controller and the Firmware (so it effects ALL SSD's using SANDFORCE Controllers not just one brand or SATAIII as my OCZ Vertex2 SATAII SSD's are effected also) are incompatible with my Z68A-GD80 Motherboard and my P55A-UD3 Motherboard, the latter being a primarily SATAII board and the other being a primarily SATAIII board. I had tried all kinds of "Stuff" to correct the problem and nothing worked in the end because at some point the board wants to enter a sleep mode and upon waking it would then LOCK.
If you read through the reviews the common thing you will read is that "the board is really fast and then after a couple hours of gaming" "then I start getting BSOD's"
Then I installed the new Corsair SSD and installed Windows7 Pro and it seemed solid and I was thinking that "the problem is gone", so
Cons: took a break and walked away from the machine. When I came back the computer was in a sleep state, I "woke it up" and immediately was looking at a BSOD. So I re-booted went into the Control Panel and then went to Power Options and turned off ALL Sleep options except Hybrid Sleep and I have not had a crash in well over a week.
Pros: SATAIII, RAID0-able, Sandforce Controller and Micron NAND. v1.3.3 FW is Stable
Cons: None, except that the SSD's are NOT compatible with Win7 with Sleep Options activated in the OS. after adj they become Stable as a Rock.
Other Thoughts: There has been much talk about these drives being un-stable and problematic, this is the case if you don't follow the directed work-around. Update the Firmware and go into the Windows Control Panel's "Power Options", once in the Power Options you have to turn OFF all Sleep and Hibernation options. The only Sleep option that will not adversely affect the system is the "Hybrid" sleep option. All of the 3 areas the need to be adjusted are found in the drop downs under the Power Options: Sleep areas.
by Sauron_Daz » Mon Nov 07, 2011 3:03 am
by Stupify » Mon Nov 07, 2011 7:39 am
by Hammer_Time » Mon Nov 07, 2011 10:29 am
Optimize performance | Photoshop CS4, CS5
Optimize your hardware setup
Use a fast enough processor
Max out on RAM
Use a fast, large hard disk
Solid-state disks
by clone » Mon Nov 07, 2011 4:12 pm
by Hammer_Time » Mon Nov 07, 2011 5:43 pm
/end nitpickby clone » Mon Nov 07, 2011 7:41 pm
by Hammer_Time » Mon Nov 07, 2011 8:43 pm
by thefallen » Thu Nov 10, 2011 1:05 pm
by clone » Thu Nov 10, 2011 3:46 pm
both AMD and Nvidia video cards crash, both AMD and Nvidia drivers update, both AMD and Nvidia video cards will perform differently depending on the software used.what I found on the web , amd firepro driver will crash several time and amd doesnt update their driver as nvidia . is that true?
by DIREWOLF75 » Thu Nov 10, 2011 5:01 pm
by Hammer_Time » Thu Nov 10, 2011 11:51 pm
AutoCAD 2010 and 2011
Take your designs further. The new AutoCAD 2010 and 2011 performance plug-ins from AMD are designed to optimize application performance on ATI FirePro professional graphics.
Building, infrastructure and manufacturing practitioners will experience a phenomenal performance boost when running AutoCAD 2010 or 2011 on ATI FirePro professional graphics, compared to AMD's consumer graphics. The entry-level ATI FirePro V3800 achieved almost double the performance per dollar of a mid-ranged consumer graphics card, while the midrange ATI FirePro V5800 achieved more than 2X performance per dollar of a high-end consumer graphics card.
3ds Max 2010 and 2011
Create stunning 3D. The new 3ds Max 2010 and 2011 performance plug-ins from AMD are designed to optimize application performance on ATI FirePro professional graphics.
Visual effects artists and graphic designers creating games, film and television content can take advantage of incredible performance with 3ds Max 2010 and 2011 running on ATI FirePro professional graphics.
ATI FirePro Professional Graphics family
AMD offers a variety of ATI FirePro professional graphics solutions designed specifically to meet professional needs at every level:
* ATI FirePro V3800 - Ideal for handling small to medium-sized models and few assembly parts and components
* ATI FirePro V4800 - Tackles medium to large data sets in production environments while giving users the flexibility to expand beyond two displays
* ATI FirePro V5800 - Best suited for users working with a broad range of applications, medium to large data sets and advanced visual effects
* ATI FirePro V7800 - Capable of managing complex models and visual effects, while helping users meet the requirements demanding visualization jobs
* ATI FirePro V8800 - Ideal for tackling large data sets or shader-intensive applications, who demand high-end computational power and superior visual flexibility
* ATI FirePro V9800 - Best suited for professionals working with the largest data sets and the most intensive 3D environments
AMD FirePro V7900 Review: Best in Class?
6/6/2011 by: Matt Pooled
Value for Money
After many years of paying premiums for entry level high-end workstations we have solutions that are affordable and have the power within to provide the end-users a substantial stable workstation that will last for some time to come. We have over the last few weeks completely stressed this card to its fullest without any complications. This professional graphics card has to offer plenty of room for expansion in whichever way it is utilized; as a home gamer, SoHo Workstation. Or, and more appropriate within the corporate market place as an upgrade to the standalone desktop unit as there is so much power within. The studios, CAD/CAM and DCC market has obtained an important injection of technology which will further advance their current systems and once more reiterating, a sound solid fast system for productivity output. Consequently and once more we have to reiterate the objectivity of price performance.
For those in the UK and Euro Land in pricing has been confirmed at around £500.00 plus Vat and Delivery. In the United States, the recommended retail price was set at $799 but the e-tailers quickly drove that to $750 level. We even managed to find the card for $718.
Conclusion
The FirePro V7900 performance shown within is without a doubt on this platform superb, no more can the cry of we need more speed. It's here. We have more to show in the very near future covering much more of this remarkable piece of technology and not forgetting the importance now of AMD’s Eyefinity multi-display technology. This is a much needed advantage to the professional utilising multi monitor displays. One card that drives four displays, a significant leap forward in technology and with the new DisplayPort technology standards – better outputs to the end-user. Not to digress support for Stereo, Stream Computing and importantly ATI CrossFire Pro Support. With these types of choice, you cannot argue here with a card that contains so much flexibility.
An exceptional timely product release from AMD and generally AMD has surpassed itself with this technology upgrade allowing many to have what they could only read about or place on their wish lists. For everything shown here, we award AMD FirePro V7900 2GB with our Editor's Choice 2011 award.
Besides the FirePro V7900 being a big performance upgrade over the FirePro V7800, this new professional workstation graphics card also has to its advantage four DisplayPort 1.2 connectors, Stereo 3D, PCI Express 2.1, AMD PowerTune, GeometryBoost technology, and other new and enhanced features.
AMD FirePro professional graphics have been engineered to deliver innovation and reliability for a wide range of professional operating environments, including Windows® 7, Windows XP, Windows Vista and Linux. The unifi ed driver, which supports all
AMD FirePro workstation products, helps reduce the total cost of ownership by simplifying installation, deployment and maintenance.
New for this generation of AMD FirePro products is AMD Powertune technology. This state-of-the-art power management technology provides direct control over GPU power usage. Applications enjoy ultimate performance with dynamic clock optimization, while keeping your workstation energy-conscious and helping to conserve electricity when it isn’t needed.
In addition, AMD FirePro products incorporate AMD’s unique AutoDetect technology. As users open new 3D applications, or move between them, optimized AMD FirePro graphics driver settings are automatically configured for maximum performance, no matter what the user’s workflow demands.
Also new for this generation of AMD FirePro products is GeometryBoost technology. GeometryBoost is a unique hardware capability that processes two primitives per clock cycle. What this means is incredibly fast geometry performance, ensuring smooth handling of complex models.
by Sauron_Daz » Fri Nov 11, 2011 12:51 am
In addition, AMD FirePro products incorporate AMD’s unique AutoDetect technology. As users open new 3D applications, or move between them, optimized AMD FirePro graphics driver settings are automatically configured for maximum performance, no matter what the user’s workflow demands.
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