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Bulldozer Performance Figures ( chases Sandy Bridge)

Postby seriousjack85 » Mon Jul 11, 2011 6:10 am

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Re: Bulldozer Performance Figures (Outpace Sandy Bridge)

Postby Stupify » Mon Jul 11, 2011 9:04 am

This does look very good for AMD for now until Ivy comes out which when will cause another headache for AMD.
Nonetheless i rather wait for the actual product to be out and benched by various reviewers before I draw my conclusions.
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Re: Bulldozer Performance Figures (Outpace Sandy Bridge)

Postby seriousjack85 » Mon Jul 11, 2011 9:24 am

True. It has been long since AMD was on Top!
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Re: Bulldozer Performance Figures (Outpace Sandy Bridge)

Postby DIREWOLF75 » Mon Jul 11, 2011 1:22 pm

Interesting to see the cachestructure.
Small L1 data for each core, and much larger shared ones for L1 instructions.
And 2M shared L2, that´s nice.
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Re: Bulldozer Performance Figures (Outpace Sandy Bridge)

Postby Tiggerz » Mon Jul 11, 2011 7:04 pm

Would be good if they could actually test non-engineering samples. After all, joe bloggs on the street is not going to have access to them are they.
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Re: Bulldozer Performance Figures (Outpace Sandy Bridge)

Postby <R.t..>^>Fusionc » Mon Jul 11, 2011 9:59 pm

Eh, in my view, any performance numbers coming in from ESs (engineering samples) are pretty useless since they don't represent the final retail product. Many of these early numbers (not specifically these) are also found to be faked as well. ESs are merely fore stability, compatibly, and validation testing; not for benchmarking.
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Re: Bulldozer Performance Figures (Outpace Sandy Bridge)

Postby TAViX » Tue Jul 12, 2011 12:37 am

We need numbers from other independent sources....BTW, where are the tests??
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Re: Bulldozer Performance Figures (Outpace Sandy Bridge)

Postby Stupify » Tue Jul 12, 2011 4:24 am

read the actual posts and they have the numbers in there.
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Re: Bulldozer Performance Figures (Outpace Sandy Bridge)

Postby Stupify » Tue Jul 12, 2011 6:24 am

After re-looking at those numbers, it seems that BD may not be the savior that AMD needed. It is a little here and there faster than 2600K and will only be 4-6Months earlier than Ivy Bridge, meaning AMD will just have a chip that can match but not thrash Intel even with dedicated hardware 8 threads unlike Intel's 8 HT threads. The bigger reason I am not impressed is because I am guessing the die size will be much bigger than Intel's SB and so Intel can easily squeeze AMD into selling at a lower ASPs and so further dimming AMD's future.

I hope AMD can truly merge the heterogeneous architecture of the CPU and GPU soon to be ahead - leave the FPU on the GPU and IPU (Integer) on the CPU and load up on cache and increase the bandwidth to CPU from RAM - more channels - rather dedicated channels to CPU and GPU.
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Re: Bulldozer Performance Figures (Outpace Sandy Bridge)

Postby seriousjack85 » Tue Jul 12, 2011 7:12 am

Stupify wrote:After re-looking at those numbers, it seems that BD may not be the savior that AMD needed. It is a little here and there faster than 2600K and will only be 4-6Months earlier than Ivy Bridge.


You must be Joking....That is big Achievement from AMD's point of View. At one point they were lagging behind INTEL now if they take the Crown for even 6 months is Big for AMD.
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Re: Bulldozer Performance Figures (Outpace Sandy Bridge)

Postby TAViX » Tue Jul 12, 2011 8:40 am

Stupify wrote:read the actual posts and they have the numbers in there.


I see just some numbers, but I don't see any comparison tests or anything.....
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Re: Bulldozer Performance Figures (Outpace Sandy Bridge)

Postby Stupify » Tue Jul 12, 2011 12:13 pm

I never said that BD was crap or it wasn't a good achievement for AMD. What I said was in terms of reality. If you look at the history - AMD had massive performance lead over P4 back in the early days of A64s yet they couldn't capitalize as much because Intel just squeezed them on the price perspective and their "rebates" (for exclusivity). Intel's behavior has left joe blow still thinking AMD is an inferior product regardless of the reality. Even with the help of OEMs and Microsoft, AMD did not deal such a massive blow to Intel back then with the x64-86. So even if AMD manages to match the performance would still give Intel the advantage over AMD, if not by a large margin. That's business and reality.

For what AMD has done and the direction they have taken with this whole Fusion approach, I applaud them and hope it does indeed give them the necessary advantage to at least capture the market share it has lost in past half decade or so.
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Re: Bulldozer Performance Figures (Outpace Sandy Bridge)

Postby Cid » Tue Jul 12, 2011 6:12 pm

Question is... Would you buy one?
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Re: Bulldozer Performance Figures (Outpace Sandy Bridge)

Postby Stupify » Tue Jul 12, 2011 7:42 pm

Happy with what i have already and don't think i will be buying one for another couple of years...
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Re: Bulldozer Performance Figures (Outpace Sandy Bridge)

Postby Cid » Tue Jul 12, 2011 9:48 pm

IF I was looking for a desktop I'd certainly consider it, I have better things to spend my money on for the moment as I already have a core i7 laptop which serves me well, I might buy a desktop later on when I have some money to spare and some time to have fun with it, not that I have a lot of either at the moment hehe
Forgot to mention, that price would have to be competitive but that is almost a given, maybe even from the launch date, we will see
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Re: Bulldozer Performance Figures (Outpace Sandy Bridge)

Postby psycho_mccrazy » Wed Jul 13, 2011 6:37 am

I have just taken a look at these numbers... and the actual article is also linked in the xbitlabs frontpage story.

While the numbers do seem good compared to the Phenoms, it is now pretty evident that comparing core count to core count is also becoming a thing of the past, like clock speeds did before. Intel hyperthreading, AMDs modules, clock boost techs on both are all making the scenario more confusing. Was it the core count that made it happen? Was it the IPC? Was it the clock boost on lower threads?

While this may be OK for those comparing performance at stock speeds with the boosts enabled, it might be slightly misleading and confusing for those of us who overclock the entire thing and disable the boosts techs.

Also, one very big question remains unanswered about the Bulldozer. The Power Consumption! If this 4 module processor does outrank the i7 in stock performance in an overall manner, but is not able to do so with decent TDP, then all is not so rosy for AMD. And linked to the TDP also is the overclocking headroom!
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Re: Bulldozer Performance Figures (Outpace Sandy Bridge)

Postby Hammer_Time » Wed Jul 13, 2011 8:15 pm

Still waiting for retail Desktop Dozers and some real benchmarks...

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They do have good marketing at least. :whistle:
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Re: Bulldozer Performance Figures (Outpace Sandy Bridge)

Postby <R.t..>^>Fusionc » Thu Jul 14, 2011 7:25 pm

Those benches are from OBR and OBR claims that he faked those benched and gave them to Donanimhaber.

http://semiaccurate.com/forums/showpost ... ostcount=9

http://obrovsky.blogspot.com/2011/07...ere-punkd.html "You were punkd"

EDIT: Also, the blog directly links this very thread among other ones.

http://www.donanimhaber.com/islemci/hab ... uclari.htm

I am believe that these results are faked as OBR isn't a reliable source of info (as well as reinforced by some of the posts in the SemiAccurate thread) as well as purposly giving away photoshopped results to a well known site. I was right to be very cautious of these performance numbers.
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Re: Bulldozer Performance Figures (Outpace Sandy Bridge)

Postby Hammer_Time » Fri Jul 15, 2011 4:21 am

Indeed.

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Re: Bulldozer Performance Figures (Outpace Sandy Bridge)

Postby psycho_mccrazy » Fri Jul 15, 2011 7:15 am

I HATE THIS.

I was hoping for good parity with the i7 and therefore was considering waiting out the release. (Am currently back in India for a bit before I go back to Japan, where 'll build the WindJammer2).

Also, today there is some news on xbit about the clockspeed and core SKUs of the zambezis. The previously posted benchies & good boosts on some of those gave me good hope that a 3 module 6ML2 8ML3 would probably give the 2500K a good run for its money, and thus present itself as a nice base for Bulldozering the WindJammer!

I HATE THIS (delays, fake benchies, suspense). I just hope some concrete information comes out before I reach Japan, else WindJammer2 just might become GA-Z68X-UD3H-B3 + 2500K + 8G DDR3 and wait for a next gen upper-midrange card having the performance level of a 580 with lower heat and price.
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