during the cold war their was some logic in buying super expensive tech.... actually their never was, their is some logic in creating it and selling it of course as the spinoff tech may reap a return on the investment but who are we planning on defending ourselves against and seriously who the PUCK are we kidding?
Thats roughly how Swedish politicians were thinking in the 1920s. HUGE MISTAKE.
When Germany started to rumble in the mid 30s, military equipment was almost impossible to buy because all who produced it kept it for themself.
If you personally can guarantee without flaw that there will be absolutely no need for this equipment for the next 20 years, yeah then you dont need it quite as much...
It takes 10-20 years to aquire the hardware. AFTER that´s started, you can start training the personnel, which takes at minimum a few years... IF you have an already functional structure to train them that is. And thats where you find the most lovely part, its damned hard to have that base structure if you dont keep up to date overall with a big enough military. And to rebuild THAT, it takes at least 20 years.
the ppl who fight from grass huts and caves.... yeah right.
So you can predict the future with perfection then? I certainly cant.
their was a time prior to missiles that could circle the earth impacting targets where accuracy is measured in inches when having every tool at your disposal was the difference between winning and losing but those days are done, I believe it's time for Canada to think forward and not ass backwards.
Thats a technonerd´s view. Its 60 years ago people absolutely KNEW that next generation fighterplanes wouldnt need guns ever again.
Guess what, they were wrong. So wrong in fact that even today, there are plenty attempts at designing better fighter guns. And no new fighters are built without guns.
but beyond that perhaps it's time Canada began resurrecting the old Avro Arrow project, modernizing it and using it..... their is no large scale significant enemy on the block and while the Arrow today would be outdated it's far better than what the ppl living in caves and grass huts have and employing more Canadians while striving for more high tech R&D is always a good thing.... if we have to waste the money I'd opt for that route personally.
Would be a bad idea. It was a great design at its time, but today it has so many flaws compared to the competition that its better to just start a new design from scratch.
AND, its a BIG plane, and big equals expensive. The SAAB-39 doesnt reach the Arrows empty weight even at max load.
Its also much too shortranged and just modernising probably wont fix that more than marginally.
A modernised Arrow would be a terrible cost/efficiency. Better to start over, and doing that domestically, sure why not, Canada may be a bit low on experience currently but it can probably handle a decent lightweight multirolefighter. But you might well be spending about as much as you would on F-35s anyway.
the old / mature F-16's we have now are superior to everything and anything Al Queda will be getting it's hands on anytime soon so do we really need them?...
And do you know what kind of flighthours those have? IIRC, the Canadian F-16s have already been refurbished once(some even twice?) and thats not the same as resetting their lifespan. And if you think F-16s are good enough, well then you might as well replace them with SAAB-39s. The drawback is range, but in everything else they´re superior to the 16s, including potentially cheaper.
If Canada wasnt so big i would totally recommend that even.
Im not sure what would be most suitable for Canada though, it has some tricky combinations of requirements. Typhoon would be suitable but is way too expensive.
Rafale is alot cheaper and keeps many of the good points of Typhoon, but its still rather expensive.
Canada doesnt really have any "perfect" alternatives. But it NEEDS SOMETHING.
Whenever countries start disarming, war tends to happen, because there´s always someone somewhere who thinks that anyone disarming equals easy pickings.
They´re usually not very right, but wars still happen and it takes a lot to stop them.
Russia?... the (red menace) they are capitalists and oligarchs now, besides we'd get our asked kicked no matter what we tried
The question might not be if you can "kick their ass", no the IMPORTANT question is, how costly will it be for them or whoever else that might think of it, how much will they have to pay for it?
Canada is not a large country and given we are getting so close to the possibility of fighting wars using drones with no pilots the F-35 seems like a stupid waste of coin.
Drones are at its worst against advanced enemies. Any enemy you would need an airforce against will likely be an advanced enemy. And drones have some serious vulnerabilites then.