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R9 290X BF4 tests; Numbers numbers maths maths maths...part2

Postby mhudon » Fri Dec 13, 2013 11:06 pm

Hello,

I've received a shiny Sapphire R9 290x today and ran the promised tests. The card behaves pretty well on the standard fan profile and noise will stay tolerable, but temps do flirt with the 80. All I can say is that I wouldn't take the risk of running Furmark with the reference cooler. Speaking of the cooler, it really is the noisiest crap I've ever encounter on a vga card to date.

The card I received is a good clocker, It was well and stable at 1175MHz but temps weren't acceptable. I took it appart and put some Tuniq TX-2 Extreme in the first hour! Buying an Arctic Acc. Hybrid was a smart move, I will probably post a little video showing the cooler and it's installation.

The card delivers about 2/3 the performance of my 7970 CFX set-up, but I've seen better results than mine out there.

Numbers numbers maths maths maths...

Here's the framerates I got in BF4 on my system using DDR3-1333 (9.9.9.21) vs 1600 (9.9.9.21) vs 2133mhz (10.12.12.31) memory speed/timings

System:
Intel i7 3770k (stock)
Asus P8Z68-V Pro
2x8gb Mushkin 992125R 2133MHz
SSD-Muskin Chronos Deluxe 480gb
Sapphire 7970 Dual X
Gigabyte 7970 OC
R9 290X (Uber)
Window 7 64bit (2yo installation)
Catalyst 13.11 BETA 9.5

Recording with FRAPS in Suez canal from chopper 1 appearance to chopper 2 down.

7970 Gpu seems to be the bottleneck:
BF4 64 bit Framerates at 1333: 62.156 avg
BF4 64 bit Framerates at 1600: 62.53 avg
BF4 64 bit Framerates at 2133: 62.199 avg

7970 Crossfire:
BF4 64 bit Framerates at 1333: 93.425 avg
BF4 64 bit Framerates at 1600: 105.600 avg
BF4 64 bit Framerates at 2133: 111.012 avg

Sapphire R9 290X (Uber) no OC
BF4 64 bit Framerates at 2133: 81.68 avg (max temp 82degree standard fan)

Sapphire R9 290X 1100 core 1325 memory (Uber)
BF4 64 bit Framerates at 2133: 93.69 avg (max temp 70 degree with custom fan profile max 70%)
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Re: R9 290X BF4 tests; Numbers numbers maths maths maths...part2

Postby Hammer_Time » Sat Dec 14, 2013 1:12 am

Sweet!!

Thanks for the detailed post and results, much appreciated!

Card is performing as expected ( 2/3 the fps of dual HD 7970's in Xfire ).

81 avg fps in BF4 is nothing to sneeze at really! 8) If you are really dedicated then you will reinstall W7 fresh as I noticed that you said your current W7 installation is 2 years old, and Windows degrades over time with installs/uninstalls possible trojans/malware etc... it might not make even 1 fps difference in games if you do this, but it is something to consider here, if you have the patience and time...would make sure your graphics driver install is "pure" too...

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I use Kijiji a lot to buy/sell computer parts, so that is probably your best bet... eBay - I don't use anymore as I refuse to pay Paypal's outrageous fees... they want $5 fee for processing a $100 transaction ( well that was a few years ago, my last transaction with paypay obviously )... I don't mind a dollar or two for using their service ( my bank charges me $1.50 per Interace email money transfer for example which is not that bad really ), but no way in hell am I giving those crooks $5 on every $100... disgusting...plus Paypal is ripe with fraud these days...
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Re: R9 290X BF4 tests; Numbers numbers maths maths maths...part2

Postby Sauron_Daz » Sun Dec 15, 2013 2:47 am

That's one nice card.. But a bit too expensive for me. I am looking at the R9 270 series.
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Re: R9 290X BF4 tests; Numbers numbers maths maths maths...part2

Postby Hammer_Time » Sun Dec 15, 2013 6:37 am

That is a great midrange card... same as my HD 7870 but needs one less 6 pin power connector, and has slightly faster clocked memory ( stock speeds ). Mebbe it will be a Christmas present for you this year? :D
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Re: R9 290X BF4 tests; Numbers numbers maths maths maths...part2

Postby mhudon » Sun Dec 15, 2013 12:04 pm

Sauron_Daz wrote:That's one nice card.. But a bit too expensive for me. I am looking at the R9 270 series.


For comparison purpose I'll run the same benchmark with my Gigabyte 270X. This will complete a nice little AMD R9 roundup don't you think :?: :wink:

I'll find a place to post pictures of the cards and I'll build a little article with the numbers obtained ''AMD R9 performance comparison''

The R9 290X is a really weird card. I've run many scenarios, pushed the 3770k to 4400MHz, tested at a bunch of different core/memory settings, but never got past 93 FPS avg in BF4. It's feels a lot like there's a bottleneck of some kind, very weird:?

My opinion on the lineup is that, for the price, the 280X (7970) really is the sweat deal. My Sapphire DualX, when overclocked, is getting way too close to the 290X performance. A very well placed $300 (in july). I'll add her numbers here too.

I'll also download are run tests with 3dMark 2013, just to get another reference on performance scaling from a card to another.
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Re: R9 290X BF4 tests; Numbers numbers maths maths maths...part2

Postby Hammer_Time » Sun Dec 15, 2013 1:27 pm

Yeah, will be interesting to see the performance of the your Giggy 270X card in these benchies... await your results ... can compare to my own 7870 card's results ( much different cpu platforms of course - yours and mine ), if the results are waaay different then I might be tempted to upgrade my aging platform here sooner... :)
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Re: R9 290X BF4 tests; Numbers numbers maths maths maths...part2

Postby mhudon » Sun Dec 15, 2013 8:27 pm

Updated with the R9 270X results:

System:
Intel i7 3770k (stock)
Asus P8Z68-V Pro
2x8gb Mushkin 992125R 2133MHz
SSD-Muskin Chronos Deluxe 480gb
Gigabyte R9 270X Windforce
Sapphire 7970 Dual X
Gigabyte 7970 OC
Sapphire R9 290X (Uber)

Window 7 64bit (2yo installation)
Catalyst 13.11 BETA 9.5

Recording with FRAPS in Suez canal from chopper 1 appearance to chopper 2 down.

Gigabyte R9 270x:
BF4 64 bit Framerates at 2133: 52.094 avg

Sapphire 7970 DualX:
BF4 64 bit Framerates at 2133: 62.199 avg

7970 Crossfire (DualX + Windforce OC):
BF4 64 bit Framerates at 2133: 111.012 avg

Sapphire R9 290X (Uber) no OC
BF4 64 bit Framerates at 2133: 81.68 avg (max temp 82 degrees standard fan)

Sapphire R9 290X 1100 core 1325 memory (Uber)
BF4 64 bit Framerates at 2133: 93.69 avg (max temp 70 degree with custom fan profile max 70%)
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Re: R9 290X BF4 tests; Numbers numbers maths maths maths...part2

Postby Sauron_Daz » Sun Dec 15, 2013 11:23 pm

Hammer_Time wrote:That is a great midrange card... same as my HD 7870 but needs one less 6 pin power connector, and has slightly faster clocked memory ( stock speeds ). Mebbe it will be a Christmas present for you this year? :D

I'd like to hope so, but it will be bext year together with a small upgrade of my son's PC.
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Re: R9 290X BF4 tests; Numbers numbers maths maths maths...part2

Postby Sauron_Daz » Sun Dec 15, 2013 11:25 pm

mhudon wrote:Updated with the R9 270X results:

System:
Intel i7 3770k (stock)
Asus P8Z68-V Pro
2x8gb Mushkin 992125R 2133MHz
SSD-Muskin Chronos Deluxe 480gb
Gigabyte R9 270X Windforce
Sapphire 7970 Dual X
Gigabyte 7970 OC
Sapphire R9 290X (Uber)

Window 7 64bit (2yo installation)
Catalyst 13.11 BETA 9.5

Recording with FRAPS in Suez canal from chopper 1 appearance to chopper 2 down.

Gigabyte R9 270x:
BF4 64 bit Framerates at 2133: 52.094 avg

Sapphire 7970 DualX:
BF4 64 bit Framerates at 2133: 62.199 avg

7970 Crossfire (DualX + Windforce OC):
BF4 64 bit Framerates at 2133: 111.012 avg

Sapphire R9 290X (Uber) no OC
BF4 64 bit Framerates at 2133: 81.68 avg (max temp 82 degrees standard fan)

Sapphire R9 290X 1100 core 1325 memory (Uber)
BF4 64 bit Framerates at 2133: 93.69 avg (max temp 70 degree with custom fan profile max 70%)

Nice numbers :D
For me that R9 270 looks good.
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Re: R9 290X BF4 tests; Numbers numbers maths maths maths...part2

Postby Hammer_Time » Sun Dec 15, 2013 11:44 pm

Very Nice results!! Basically the whole "R9" lineup is compared there! You should become an X-bit labs video card reviewer methinks! :scout: :wink:

I reran the same part of the game that you benchmarked and FRAPS reported an average of 48 fps.

Game settings:

1920x180
Everything on Ultra / maxxed out
AA Post ( essentially "FXAA" mode ) = Disabled/Off
AA Deferred = 4x MSAA
HBAO enabled

Sapphire HD 7870 OC edition at stock speed ( 1050 Mhz gpu )
Intel Q9400 @ 3.35 Ghz
4 GB DDR-3 1333 Mhz
Win7 SP1 64 bit

You get a higher fps but I think you said your monitor is only capable of 1650x1050 right? So that explains some of the lower fps I am getting here , as I am running my monitor at 1920x1080. Also, are you using 4x MSAA mode or do you have AA Deferred set to "off"? That will affect the fps too of course.

Again, thanks for your time in sharing all this information with us... the midrange cards are not far behind the HD 7970/R280X cards, it is only when you get into Crossfired 7970's or the flagship 290X cards that you really see performance take off in this game... :shock: 8) Speed is money as they say...
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Re: R9 290X BF4 tests; Numbers numbers maths maths maths...part2

Postby mhudon » Mon Dec 16, 2013 9:27 am

Hammer_Time wrote:Very Nice results!! Basically the whole "R9" lineup is compared there! You should become an X-bit labs video card reviewer methinks! :scout: :wink:

I reran the same part of the game that you benchmarked and FRAPS reported an average of 48 fps.

Game settings:

1920x180
Everything on Ultra / maxxed out
AA Post ( essentially "FXAA" mode ) = Disabled/Off
AA Deferred = 4x MSAA
HBAO enabled

Sapphire HD 7870 OC edition at stock speed ( 1050 Mhz gpu )
Intel Q9400 @ 3.35 Ghz
4 GB DDR-3 1333 Mhz
Win7 SP1 64 bit

You get a higher fps but I think you said your monitor is only capable of 1650x1050 right? So that explains some of the lower fps I am getting here , as I am running my monitor at 1920x1080. Also, are you using 4x MSAA mode or do you have AA Deferred set to "off"? That will affect the fps too of course.

Again, thanks for your time in sharing all this information with us... the midrange cards are not far behind the HD 7970/R280X cards, it is only when you get into Crossfired 7970's or the flagship 290X cards that you really see performance take off in this game... :shock: 8) Speed is money as they say...



Good morning H_T, my pleasure, really :D I'll follow with synthetic 3D Mark 2013 in a short while.

48 FPS is a great result. Your Q9400 really hold its ground well :o Everything was set to Ultra and/or Enabled, all tests were made on my workstation and displayed on a Viewsonic VG2732 @ 1080p resolution.

Wow, the R9 270X is an excellent piece of hardware, and might be even more if Mantle delivers. Most of all, there was absolutely no difference in gameplay performance. From the $209 R9 270x to the $609 R9 290x, it was exactly the same. That's AMD delivering the AAA games ''wow'' factor to the mainstream segment. AMD really earned all of my respect!
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Re: R9 290X BF4 tests; Numbers numbers maths maths maths...part2

Postby clone » Mon Dec 16, 2013 10:17 am

Mhudon, try pulling the end plate off the back of your card and remounting it with the case on it's side so it sits properly and then load it to see if the noise levels drop quite a bit.

their have been more than a few reports that the end plate restricts exhaust flow under load considerably causing the fan to work extra hard.
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Re: R9 290X BF4 tests; Numbers numbers maths maths maths...part2

Postby mhudon » Mon Dec 16, 2013 4:52 pm

Hi Clone,

I've tested the card without the backend plate (compter case on down on the side) with little to no impact in performance and temps. Replacing the tim by Tuniq 2 Extreme helped a lot more.

Frankly speaking, at default settings, the card maintains correct sound level and stay below 83 degrees with the new TIM. The moment ou try to push it tough... here comes the hurricane.

The new cooler WILL make the difference.
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Postby Hammer_Time » Tue Dec 17, 2013 12:55 am

Clone - don't forget he just bought an Artic Accelero Extreme Hybrid cooler for his card for $123 - combo self-contained liquid cooling plus an extra air fan... so that should keep his new card fairly "cool" once he gets that installed... 8)
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Postby Sauron_Daz » Tue Dec 17, 2013 3:07 am

mhudon wrote:Wow, the R9 270X is an excellent piece of hardware, and might be even more if Mantle delivers. Most of all, there was absolutely no difference in gameplay performance. From the $209 R9 270x to the $609 R9 290x, it was exactly the same. That's AMD delivering the AAA games ''wow'' factor to the mainstream segment. AMD really earned all of my respect!


What's the difference between an R9 270 X and the 'vanilla' R9 270?
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Re: R9 290X BF4 tests; Numbers numbers maths maths maths...part2

Postby Hammer_Time » Tue Dec 17, 2013 4:12 am

$20 and faster factory clock speed ( 270X vs 270 ):

http://www.anandtech.com/show/7503/the- ... t-asus-his

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/ASUS ... _Cu_II_OC/

AMD released their Radeon R9 270 Non-X just last week. The card isn't exactly new; it's basically an R9 270X (with the same amount of shaders), same memory, but lower clock speeds. The R9 270 is meant to replace the AMD HD 7850, with more performance of course.


Might as well save yourself the $20, get the 270, and overclock it! :D
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Postby Sauron_Daz » Wed Dec 18, 2013 1:36 am

I'm seriously considering that..
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Postby Hammer_Time » Wed Dec 18, 2013 6:08 am

8) Tom's hw confirms that card:

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gam ... 107-4.html

Best Graphics Cards For The Money: December 2013

By Don Woligroski
DECEMBER 16, 2013

Best PCI Express (PCIe) Card For ~$180:

Radeon R9 270

Serious Upper Mainstream Performance


The Radeon R9 270 offers performance equal to the Radeon HD 7870 it replaces, which is a little better than Nvidia's GeForce GTX 660. At $180, AMD's card earns our sole recommendation. It's a serious gaming board capable of playable frame rates at relatively high resolutions.
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Postby Sauron_Daz » Thu Dec 19, 2013 4:11 am

I ordered this one: https://azerty.nl/producten/product_det ... -x-oc.html had the same price as non x versions..
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Re: R9 290X BF4 tests; Numbers numbers maths maths maths...part2

Postby Hammer_Time » Thu Dec 19, 2013 5:04 am

Awesome, very similar to my Sapphire HD 7870 OC edition card!! Even the cooler looks nearly identical! 8)

Although I must admit I prefer the artwork on my box compared to the monster artwork on yours:

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You are going to love it!! I suppose your current HD 6850 card will be given to your son right? Good Christmas gifts for the both of you! 8) :D

BTW, do you get the "AMD Radeon Rewards" ( pick 2 free games with coupon code ) over there in Holland?
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